Difference of 5hz; noticeable?

[NASTY08IMPALA 5,000+ posts]

What the FUCK are you talking about? I was stating the peak frequencies in the songs he mentioned my setup has no problem reproducing those..

I was.wondering.thiss.myself...he was stating that the songs op claimed were low never even got below 34htz ..which isnt low to me either

 

[murph 10+ year member]

I was.wondering.thiss.myself...he was stating that the songs op claimed were low never even got below 34htz ..which isnt low to me either

 

[NASTY08IMPALA 5,000+ posts]

Ballin

 

[mlstrass 5,000+ posts]

OP why not get a 2nd DD 1500 12" if you like what you have now. Double cone area and power and you'll have more of what you like

 

[mazdakid 5,000+ posts]

Then your setup dont get low enough , my 12 is at 28 hz i only play a few slowed songs and its cool but listening to the sound how it comes out normal on a cd ripped to my phone and put through aux input my sh1t just sounds ridiculous ears hurting lows, headache loud bass and yes while running the cheapest hifonics line the hfi 1500d as of now since i got it so cheap everyone knows its me coming and thats hard to say for some in a sedan with 1 sub in the trunk

Bro! I bet youre almost into the 140 db range with that beast of a sub! Lol

 

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

DD dont play low and the higher up the line the less SQ? Once again people post about DD that have no idea about DD. The 2500 is the reference line

 

[winkychevelle 10+ year member]

DD dont play low and the higher up the line the less SQ? Once again people post about DD that have no idea about DD. The 2500 is the reference line

Yea my 2510a didnt have a problem playing bass I love you or late night tip or white girl. And that was tuned at 40hz i was -3db at 28hz and peaked at 52hz when burping. Even through it in a prefab band pass and it performed ok.

Yes dd subs are spl drivin designs and no they have no true sq line(they tried that years ago and it didnt catch on) but saying they can play low is idiotic most on here should know it in the box design.

And ps the ddz sub would make for a **** good sq sub if someone bought it for thqt purpose

 

[Imtjnotu 5,000+ posts]

I knew somehow once TC Sounds went in the equation you would come.

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[bgowdy 5,000+ posts]

i was playing 21hz on my hdc3 18 in a 4th order box, sub still works fine and everything.... bish sounded good to for a sub that everyone says doesnt work in those enclosures.

pretty much the same as DD other then AQs soft parts **** lol

 

[murph 10+ year member]

DD dont play low and the higher up the line the less SQ? Once again people post about DD that have no idea about DD. The 2500 is the reference line

Can any of you fucks read. I didn't say THEY DON'T PLAY LOW. They can but, many subs out there are better for the lows and again 30-20hz. You can't tell me you think the 9500 series is a low end monster, because it' not. DD subs have the same level of SQ as all comp subs. (which is pretty bad) Yes, yes box box box box but, Adire Brahma vs DD 3500 which would win on the low end? The Adire all day.

 

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

Can any of you fucks read. I didn't say THEY DON'T PLAY LOW. They can but, many subs out there are better for the lows and again 30-20hz. You can't tell me you think the 9500 series is a low end monster, because it' not. DD subs have the same level of SQ as all comp subs. (which is pretty bad) Yes, yes box box box box but, Adire Brahma vs DD 3500 which would win on the low end? The Adire all day.

Well the guy over in the UK use DD for SQ... The subs that can play lower better cant play anything else as good. DD was built around a beefed up SQ platform. My 12s have a pre breakin fs of 32?hz? I do a 49+ 27hz up is playing low very well

 

[T3mpest 10+ year member]

Well the guy over in the UK use DD for SQ... The subs that can play lower better cant play anything else as good. DD was built around a beefed up SQ platform. My 12s have a pre breakin fs of 32?hz? I do a 49+ 27hz up is playing low very well

A SQ subwoofer in a car for pure SQ can be **** near anything. You can barely tell the sub is playing in a SQ rig tuned for competition, most competitors only run their settings like that when they are being judged. It tends to sound better on most real music using other settings.

I don't know where anyone would say the DD subs are a beefed up SQ design. They are overhung motors, with very stiff suspensions and favor high BL product over BL linearity. Dan Wiggins years ago showed them with XBL^2 they could add quite a bit more xmax by using xbl^2, of course DD wanted nothing to do with it. I believe he tested a 9500 series and XMAX came out around 20mm. For a low end daily pounding SQ app, that's not exactly amazing, especially since the suspensions are noisy.

Only other thing I'd like to add is having a -3 point at 28hz in a car is NOT flat response by an stretch of the imagination. Cars are a small environment and that effects how much low end bass you need to get a curve that sounds flat. By sounding flat, I don't mean all frequencies the sound the same, but I mean sounding like RTA flat would sound in a more open environment. To replicate that in a car you need to be closer to +3 to +6db at 30hz depending on the cars size. The DD is about 6-10db's down from that mark tuned at 40hz playing at 28hz. It probably also falls flat on it's face above 60 unless is supercharged, but that's a whole different story. Anyway the Brahma's he alluded to, your correct couldn't play anything else good. Super low distortion from 50 to as low as you want, but inductance cuts them off above 60hz. The later gens Brahmas corrected this as well as the Tempest-X that was brought out much more recently. Most of the higher end TC subs use LMS tech, which makes them a bit like the brahmas unless the use a shorting ring like the LMS ULTRA or the LMS-R. I beleive the old TC-4000 and the Soundsplinter RL-S used LMS tech with no rings, low effeciency to boot, so no upper bass output from those, but very clean lows.

Point is you CAN have it all with a well engineered driver, DD subs generally aren't the ticket, but I haven't seen a supercharged one yet. The shorting rings should be a step in the right direction, but the suspensions, while bullet proof are hardly SQ.

 

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

A SQ subwoofer in a car for pure SQ can be **** near anything. You can barely tell the sub is playing in a SQ rig tuned for competition, most competitors only run their settings like that when they are being judged. It tends to sound better on most real music using other settings.
I don't know where anyone would say the DD subs are a beefed up SQ design. They are overhung motors, with very stiff suspensions and favor high BL product over BL linearity. Dan Wiggins years ago showed them with XBL^2 they could add quite a bit more xmax by using xbl^2, of course DD wanted nothing to do with it. I believe he tested a 9500 series and XMAX came out around 20mm. For a low end daily pounding SQ app, that's not exactly amazing, especially since the suspensions are noisy.

Only other thing I'd like to add is having a -3 point at 28hz in a car is NOT flat response by an stretch of the imagination. Cars are a small environment and that effects how much low end bass you need to get a curve that sounds flat. By sounding flat, I don't mean all frequencies the sound the same, but I mean sounding like RTA flat would sound in a more open environment. To replicate that in a car you need to be closer to +3 to +6db at 30hz depending on the cars size. The DD is about 6-10db's down from that mark tuned at 40hz playing at 28hz. It probably also falls flat on it's face above 60 unless is supercharged, but that's a whole different story. Anyway the Brahma's he alluded to, your correct couldn't play anything else good. Super low distortion from 50 to as low as you want, but inductance cuts them off above 60hz. The later gens Brahmas corrected this as well as the Tempest-X that was brought out much more recently. Most of the higher end TC subs use LMS tech, which makes them a bit like the brahmas unless the use a shorting ring like the LMS ULTRA or the LMS-R. I beleive the old TC-4000 and the Soundsplinter RL-S used LMS tech with no rings, low effeciency to boot, so no upper bass output from those, but very clean lows.

Point is you CAN have it all with a well engineered driver, DD subs generally aren't the ticket, but I haven't seen a supercharged one yet. The shorting rings should be a step in the right direction, but the suspensions, while bullet proof are hardly SQ.

You make valid asumptions. DD has changed designs over the years. You may want to look into what they are doing now. DD has been around for a very long time and winning since they came out with no marketing, TC has been sold and bought how many times? Wonder why that is? This DD conversation is pointless, people will judge by what they see writen here just like I have before. People that use them will agree they are unique. People prove how unique they are in the lanes, both SQ and SPL. They are the most versitle driver I have ever touched.

 

[T3mpest 10+ year member]

You make valid asumptions. DD has changed designs over the years. You may want to look into what they are doing now. DD has been around for a very long time and winning since they came out with no marketing, TC has been sold and bought how many times? Wonder why that is? This DD conversation is pointless, people will judge by what they see writen here just like I have before. People that use them will agree they are unique. People prove how unique they are in the lanes, both SQ and SPL. They are the most versitle driver I have ever touched.

TC sounds has it's issues. Main issue is Thilo is just a bad business man. Adire audio had the same issue, Dan Wiggins could design amazing drivers, but couldn't run a business. DD has done a good job with marketing and keeping a loyal fanbase. They found what a good size group of customers want and will pay good money for and give it to them. Also for TC Sounds, some of the softparts have been put down in the past for being weak, but it's mostly an issue of soft suspensions and linear motors with alot of throw. It works well for SQ with good SPL down low, like the OP was asking for, but it's far from abuse proof. TC sounds also, when they came back as Audiopulse and again now as TC sounds again was and still all overpriced. The earlier TC sounds from like 2008 had some great drivers for great prices, I think even the LMS ultra was like 800 originally.

 

[murph 10+ year member]

TC sounds has it's issues. Main issue is Thilo is just a bad business man. Adire audio had the same issue, Dan Wiggins could design amazing drivers, but couldn't run a business. DD has done a good job with marketing and keeping a loyal fanbase. They found what a good size group of customers want and will pay good money for and give it to them. Also for TC Sounds, some of the softparts have been put down in the past for being weak, but it's mostly an issue of soft suspensions and linear motors with alot of throw. It works well for SQ with good SPL down low, like the OP was asking for, but it's far from abuse proof. TC sounds also, when they came back as Audiopulse and again now as TC sounds again was and still all overpriced. The earlier TC sounds from like 2008 had some great drivers for great prices, I think even the LMS ultra was like 800 originally.

Funny thing is at the time the Eclipse Ti pro was more expensive than the LMS ultra... Lol