Current events discussion

[Bobbytwonames 5,000+ posts]

They don't!
Obviously they Rob doesn't know any. Illegals use all the free resources we have and don't pay for them. When they work, they get paid "under the table" so they avoid having to report it. Sure, there might be 5% that are legit, but 5% of tens of millions is nothing.

Fact, if all the illegals left, our taxes would drop and our services would increase. It's simple economics.

Prices would skyrocket. Most illegals don't work under the table. You don't have any "real World" experience how things work. I tried hiring every different race when I had a company. Most white guys wouldn't work for $800 week. They would barely piece work for $1,500 - $2,000 a week.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Most illegals don't work under the table

You need a social security number or a work Vista (neither of which illegal immigrants have) to legally be employed in the U.S.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

And still record oil production under Biden.

It's a record alright... not sure it's a record to be proud of.

 

[Bobbytwonames 5,000+ posts]

You think it's called supply and demand? Again, old man, research why and research what needs to happen to oil in order to use it. Then research why gas was low during in 2016.

I guess Rob is proof that you can't teach an old dog new tricks and dogs will always stay loyal to their master even if that master beats them.

I guess it was low in 2016 because of Obama. There's a lot of reasons why gas prices are high right now. The Republicans just want to say it's all Biden's fault. They don't understand all the complexities that go into gas prices. They think Biden wakes up and sets the gas prices. Gas prices are high in every Country in the World. No one man is powerful enough to cause that. The same way with inflation. It's easier for people to blame one man for their problems without doing any research.

 

[Bobbytwonames 5,000+ posts]

It's a record alright... not sure it's a record to be proud of.

It beat Trumps record in 2019.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

One thing is for sure... the left will always think the Presidency is some kind of contest.

Night.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Let me learn you something. To drill for oil, you need investors. It takes a couple years for investors to start seeing a return on their investments. With all the threats from Biden to shut down oil and/or increase regulations, investors are not about to invest in something that might be killed off. If you need proof, simply Google Biden New Green Deal.

Biden has been talking out both sides of his mouth. Sleepy Joe has outpaced Trump when it comes to land leases, then only allows 3 offshore leases so he can claim "Look at all the oil leases issues under my administration" when it suits him and then claim to be cracking down on big oil the next day. Investors aren't at all shy to invest in those leases, which is why Exxon (for example) is at all time high despite the rhetoric from both the WH and GOP. Also explains record US petro output.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

How are all these illegals (that are supposedly propping up our economy) paying income taxes or paying into fed safety net programs without a social security number

They aren't. But living in Denver, which got pounded with hail, I can tell all the roofing and exterior work would grind to halt without the help of our friends south of the border.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Biden has been talking out both sides of his mouth. Sleepy Joe has outpaced Trump when it comes to land leases, then only allows 3 offshore leases so he can claim "Look at all the oil leases issues under my administration" when it suits him and then claim to be cracking down on big oil the next day. Investors aren't at all shy to invest in those leases, which is why Exxon (for example) is at all time high despite the rhetoric from both the WH and GOP. Also explains record US petro output.

Land leases aren't the only things you need to pull oil from the ground. You need permits too as well as a multitude of other things. They can still make money by leasing the land and please the green idiots by denying or delaying permits.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

They aren't. But living in Denver, which got pounded with hail, I can tell all the roofing and exterior work would grind to halt without the help of our friends south of the border.

So you're justifying a federal crime then

 

[Bobbytwonames 5,000+ posts]

That is a extremely lame excuse. Sounds like you're just trying to reach for something. Also, that's nothing near as bad as the lies Biden said about the virus and the vaccine. How about all the people who died from the vaccine because they were forced to take it. How about all the deaths that were caused because people lost their jobs and sanity while in an unnecessary lockdown?

1. What lies did Biden tell about the virus? Please provide video proof oh him saying it.

2. Vaccine - Trump was responsible for and takes credit for the vaccine. Nobody was "forced" to take it. They weren't held down against their will and given a shot.

3. Please provide proof of how many people died because of the vaccine. Over 1,100,000 people died because of COVID.

4. If the lockdown was unnecessary then why was almost every country in the World locked down?

5. How many deaths were directly caused by people who lost their jobs? I think you answered your own question. Those cases were a product of their mental health.

Lockdowns aren't a new thing. They've happened before during a pandemic situation.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Lockdowns aren't a new thing

When was the last time the U.S. implemented a lockdown before covid?

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

So you're justifying a federal crime then

No, I think immigrants should be documented. But Bobby had point that "poofing" all the illegals out of the country would be a hit to the economy.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

I think immigrants should be documented

Legal immigrants are documented...the illegal immigrants chose to not follow the laws and procedures...

So by arguing they prop up the economy...You're condoning not only a federal crime (when they work) but also a drain on resources they don't contribute to (shrinking the aid etc for people that immigrated legally and citizens of our country)

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Legal immigrants are documented...the illegal immigrants chose to not follow the laws and procedures...

So by arguing they prop up the economy...You're condoning not only a federal crime (when they work) but also a drain on resources they don't contribute to (shrinking the aid etc for people that immigrated legally and citizens of our country)

Saying I think illegals "prop up" the economy means I think they indeed "prop up" the economy. It doesn't mean I condone anything.