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[ThxOne Premium Member]

"Forced procreation" RobGMN? Isn't that ****? Are you saying Republicans are forcing women to get ***** and produce offspring? You're just sick.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

"Forced procreation" RobGMN? Isn't that ****? Are you saying Republicans are forcing women to get ***** and produce offspring? You're just sick.

Are you and Spokey related? You both seem to have major difficulties with comprehending what you read.
Or is it just a cover for the fact that you simply cannot support your arguments?

Maybe you can help Spokey, since he can't seem to answer the following questions that poke big holes in his beliefs:
Please tell us how the Republicans were not instrumental in Roe v. Wade being overturned.
"Overturning Roe v. Wade has been a core priority of the Republican Party since Ronald Reagan’s election in 1980, if not earlier. Conservative organizations like Moral Majority, Focus on the Family and the Federalist Society worked to ensure overturning Roe was central to the GOP’s mission. Abortion has been prominent in the party’s platforms and the governing agenda of every Republican president for decades. Republicans have sought to put anti-abortion justices on the Supreme Court and other federal courts, and through a series of untimely deaths and unprecedented power moves by Mitch McConnell, the unlikely figure of Donald Trump managed to place enough of them there to achieve the goal."

Please tell us how denying an abortion to a pregnant woman is not the same as forcing her to procreate.
The definition YOU chose to share:

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Please tell us how denying an abortion to a pregnant woman is not the same as forcing her to procreate.

Well, most abortions aren't about being a **** victim, so the woman chose to have ***, which a consequence of *** is pregnancy, in which no external force was applied to make the woman accept said man's wiggly astronauts into her black hole. Most abortions are just irresponsible people who don't want to deal with the consequences of their actions, and this mind state is rotting our country as a whole. You're just another shallow creature in the internet, so nobody is shocked when you say such stupid things as this here. People need to stop lying and say what they really mean, which is they're tired of being human and dealing with the real world and real world consequences. Everybody wants things that they can't have, even intangible things, because nobody cherishes anything worth having, anymore. Once the UN and WEF get us to kill all our kids, then we can all just start killing ourselves, like they're euthanizing people in Canada and other countries, because people just don't give a flying **** about anyone anymore. Everybody is going to war.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

This is basically like the gov shooting New Yorkers in the foot and then blaming New Yorkers for it lol, like problem reaction solution. How does it keep going, it's so obvious. It's all a plan to get you used to basically a permanent militarized security state as a way of life during war times.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Are you and Spokey related? You both seem to have major difficulties with comprehending what you read.
Or is it just a cover for the fact that you simply cannot support your arguments?

Maybe you can help Spokey, since he can't seem to answer the following questions that poke big holes in his beliefs:
Please tell us how the Republicans were not instrumental in Roe v. Wade being overturned.
"Overturning Roe v. Wade has been a core priority of the Republican Party since Ronald Reagan’s election in 1980, if not earlier. Conservative organizations like Moral Majority, Focus on the Family and the Federalist Society worked to ensure overturning Roe was central to the GOP’s mission. Abortion has been prominent in the party’s platforms and the governing agenda of every Republican president for decades. Republicans have sought to put anti-abortion justices on the Supreme Court and other federal courts, and through a series of untimely deaths and unprecedented power moves by Mitch McConnell, the unlikely figure of Donald Trump managed to place enough of them there to achieve the goal."

Please tell us how denying an abortion to a pregnant woman is not the same as forcing her to procreate.
The definition YOU chose to share:
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It would only be forced if there was some sort of ****. That said there do seem to many states that don't have a **** exception or are very unclear/limited on any exceptions and/or have tight time constraints.

IMHO, SCOTUS should have just found Jackson v Dobbs was consistent
nt w/Roe v Wade, rather than being activist. That would have been the simple solution and confirmed State's rights at the same time. However, the abortion issue has always been more about restricting (or permitting) woman's rights than State's rights.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Well, most abortions aren't about being a **** victim, so the woman chose to have ***, which a consequence of *** is pregnancy, in which no external force was applied to make the woman accept said man's wiggly astronauts into her black hole. Most abortions are just irresponsible people who don't want to deal with the consequences of their actions, and this mind state is rotting our country as a whole. You're just another shallow creature in the internet, so nobody is shocked when you say such stupid things as this here. People need to stop lying and say what they really mean, which is they're tired of being human and dealing with the real world and real world consequences. Everybody wants things that they can't have, even intangible things, because nobody cherishes anything worth having, anymore. Once the UN and WEF get us to kill all our kids, then we can all just start killing ourselves, like they're euthanizing people in Canada and other countries, because people just don't give a flying **** about anyone anymore. Everybody is going to war.

That's a whole lot of tangents that speak to neither question.

It's like you're a firemen trying to figure out what caused the car accident while you watch the trapped passengers burn inside.

Shoulda/woulda/coulda doesn't change the past or help the now.

Sine you decided to join in, can you answer the questions that Spokey cannot?

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

It would only be forced if there was some sort of ****. That said there do seem to many states that don't have a **** exception or are very unclear/limited on any exceptions and/or have tight time constraints.

IMHO, SCOTUS should have just found Jackson v Dobbs was consistent
nt w/Roe v Wade, rather than being activist. That would have been the simple solution and confirmed State's rights at the same time. However, the abortion issue has always been more about restricting (or permitting) woman's rights than State's rights.

I'm talking about once conception has happened, and the woman wants to abort.
By denying her rights at that point, she is in effect being forced to procreate. She is being forced to (by the definition Spokey provided) to generate and produce young.

Just one irony of the situation is the people screaming about the vax being "forced" (where there was always a choice) are more than willing to strip a woman of her right to choose, and force her to procreate.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Please tell us how denying an abortion to a pregnant woman is not the same as forcing her to procreate.

Who forced her to get pregnant?

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Are you and Spokey related? You both seem to have major difficulties with comprehending what you read.
Or is it just a cover for the fact that you simply cannot support your arguments?


Please tell us how denying an abortion to a pregnant woman is not the same as forcing her to procreate.
The definition YOU chose to share:

It is different Rob and you keep using the word "force". She has options before getting pregnant.

1. Don't have unprotected ***. 100% effective against pregnancy.
2. If she absolutely feels she needs a load in her, Oral or Anal are options.

The point is by the time she feels regret or shame for letting a guy get her pregnant the deed is done. She IS going to procreate and the government has nothing to do with that. Now, if she chooses to want an abortion then it matters where she lives. The people elect representatives to make the laws by which we want to live our lives and majority rules. So if this woman feels she needs abortions in her life then she needs to plan ahead and live where it is legal. If she feels she is a person likely to be ***** she may also want to live where she has the right to carry a firearm and or learn self defense. Like I said, there are options.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

I'm talking about once conception has happened

Forced procreation would include conception...excluding "minor" tidbits just to argue again

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

dupe

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

I'm talking about once conception has happened

Forced procreation would include conception...excluding "minor" tidbits just to argue again

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

I'm talking about once conception has happened

Forced procreation would include conception...excluding "minor" tidbits just to argue again

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

I would also like to point out that performing a medical abortion is an acquired skill. It is not something we are born knowing how to do. There is no "right to abortion" just because people were taught how to do them. If it were a right then the Doctors would be "forced" to give abortions.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

It is different Rob and you keep using the word "force". She has options before getting pregnant.

1. Don't have unprotected ***. 100% effective against pregnancy.
2. If she absolutely feels she needs a load in her, Oral or Anal are options.

The point is by the time she feels regret or shame for letting a guy get her pregnant the deed is done. She IS going to procreate and the government has nothing to do with that. Now, if she chooses to want an abortion then it matters where she lives. The people elect representatives to make the laws by which we want to live our lives and majority rules. So if this woman feels she needs abortions in her life then she needs to plan ahead and live where it is legal. If she feels she is a person likely to be ***** she may also want to live where she has the right to carry a firearm and or learn self defense. Like I said, there are options.

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You're off on another tangent that has no relevance to the questions.

Why is it so difficult for you, Spokey, et al to stick to the point being argued, and speak specifically to that point?

You might as well argue about the color shirt the final assembler was wearing as a reason to determine a gun an "assault rifle".

So help Spokey out, and explain how the Republicans had nothing to do with Roe v Wade being overturned.
Additionally, explain how denying a pregnant woman the right to an abortion is not in effect forcing her to procreate.

I would also like to point out that performing a medical abortion is an acquired skill. It is not something we are born knowing how to do. There is no "right to abortion" just because people were taught how to do them. If it were a right then the Doctors would be "forced" to give abortions.

You basically just argued that almost no rights should exist, especially the right to bear arms.
Might want to retract that attempt.

Forced procreation would include conception...excluding "minor" tidbits just to argue again

I'm working with the definition of procreation YOU provided.
Do you now want to retract it and say it's an incorrect definition?

The definition of procreation you gave us can include the concept of conception, but does not have to.
Gestation and birth alone are procreation.
So by denying a pregnant woman the right to an abortion, she is being forced to gestate and give birth.
By the very definition of the word, she is being forced to procreate.