Meh, I stand by my statement. Heard those way to many times at the shop to know what they are capable of. Remember its just my opinion //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif
Having owned the Exile Pros, they make a good speaker at a good price. Exile is a startup by former Phoenix Gold employees that left when PG went to shit. I think I prefer the Alpine tweet, however, but they're both very good, so it depends on price. (Also, the Exiles might be easier to fit as the brand tends to be very conscious about mounting depths, sizing issues.) The Alpine is just a very musical speaker. Doesn't "stand out" in any regard, but that's the best thing about them, I think.
Hertz is just starting to get some notice in the U.S. They are the speaker division of the company that makes Audison amps. Haven't yet heard them, but have no reason to think they'd be anything but great. I read on some Australian boards, where the brand has been available a bit longer than in the states, that the HSK tweeter was a bit harsh for some. But, I've never heard these myself so take that with a grain of salt. Their Mille sets look amazing, though, and the Space sets look like they'd be a great option for someone with limited mounting depth.
Never been a fan of Polk, but I suppose you could do worse. If you've heard them and like them, trust your ears.
It's not an option always, but it's really worth it to listen (yes, even off deck power, even on a board) to everything. You can't always trust it, but at least it gives you an idea of what you're looking at.
Hertz is just starting to get some notice in the U.S. They are the speaker division of the company that makes Audison amps. Haven't yet heard them, but have no reason to think they'd be anything but great. I read on some Australian boards, where the brand has been available a bit longer than in the states, that the HSK tweeter was a bit harsh for some. But, I've never heard these myself so take that with a grain of salt. Their Mille sets look amazing, though, and the Space sets look like they'd be a great option for someone with limited mounting depth.
Never been a fan of Polk, but I suppose you could do worse. If you've heard them and like them, trust your ears.
It's not an option always, but it's really worth it to listen (yes, even off deck power, even on a board) to everything. You can't always trust it, but at least it gives you an idea of what you're looking at.
First and foremost pg never went to shit, still make one hell of a product, and will continue getting better now that the original ms engineer is back. Secondly Im talking about the xtec components, not the pros. Major step up between the 2 fyi //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif
Compared to what PG was, yeah, I'd say they've gone to shit. They might make a comeback, but until they do, they're nowhere near what they once were. The exodus of talent (as well as dealers -- down here, every high-end shop dropped them) is proof of that. I'd take a high-end Rockford over a PG amp any day of the week these days. Four years ago, I wouldn't have dreamt of that.
On the Exiles, I bought them when the Pros were the top model. I chimed in because I at least have personal experience with those and I figured that would be of some use to original poster. Major step up? Depends on how you look at it. The mid is, but the tweeter is unchanged between the two models so at least some of my observations are still true.
Meh... Being an owner of Both new and old pg products, I can assure you quality product has not gone down. Infact the newer lines are superior. I own an m44, and honestly when i had my xenon, and titanium amps you couldnt tell a differnce between them. As for your rockford comment, rockford in no way has as good as build quality as pg, and they never will. Even Doctor fosgate off soundbuggy forums that used to work for rockford can tell you that. Apparently you havent taken a listen to the rsd's either... here's a nice read for yah
http://www.soundbuggy.com/Eric/Car%20Audio/phoenix_gold/xenon/x100_2/index.html
Back to the original subject, the pg xenons have the same tweeters as my xtecs, to, but they sounded completely different. Different crossovers ect... I havent heard the xps, so i wont comment on them.
I'm almost positive you either mistyped or you're wrong. The tweeter in the Exiles, from speaking extensively with Morgan, are their own design and share nothing with any PG product (they were modeled, more or less, on the Morel-based Elite line, not the Xenons which if memory serves me right, were either developed about the same time or came out after the Exiles).
Unless PG went and copied the Exile tweeter, which I'd think is unlikely, unless you know something I don't...
I have them both right now sitting side by side. I can almost attest to them being the same tweeter. Oh well.. Also the xenon woofer is totaly different, aswell as some other things, but they use the same phase plug, same mount asembly screw on tweeter. They share some similar qualities. The xtecs are miles beyond the xenons though. But ive noticed several things similar having them both side by side.
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