CDT Eurosport 620 Review

MB Quart sucks. thanks for the detailed review
I wouldnt go that far. Quarts were my 1st real entry into car audio back when they were the tip top of the market in the early 90's. They never let me down in the 5 years I had them. I think they are very good comps, but they were left behind by the new top end generation of speakers.

 
I have the SAME EXACT problem with my CDT Audio HD 62's.. the DRT-25 tweeters are amazing, I just have NO MIDBASS.
I have a Pioneer Premier Headunit, and eD NINe.2x 200rms x 2 underated.. what is defeat mode?
Defeat is a setting on most head units where you completely remove any type of bass boosting or EQ settings coming from the HU. The signal received by the amps is thus, in theory, unaltered from the source.

By running the defeat on, I left it soley to the amps crossovers and EQ settings to alter the signal. I think I was getting quite a bit of redundant boost and equalization from both the HU and then the amps, which was causing distortion of the signal and excessive bass boosting.

But that is a question I wanted to ask to some of the experienced installers on this forum, is just what they are doing with their head units and amplifiers. Are you guys running digital EQs? Line Drivers? etc.

 
Hi all,
My 1st post here but I am no stranger to high end car audio. I have quite a but of experience in both installing high end systems and listening to them.

So I have spent a solid month with a pair of '06 CDT ES-620 comps with the DRT-25 1 inch silk tweeter. (Purchased new for $399... retail at $699).

They are powered by a Pheonix Gold Titanium Elite 500.4 (I have powered them both in bridged for 250 watts RMS and non bridged for 75 watts RMS).

My HU is an Alpine CDA-9833 with 4 volt preouts.

Subwoofer is a 2004 RE XXX 12" Dual 4 run at 2 Ohms via a PG Titanium Elite 800.1

Rear fill was not run.

My previous comps have been: Infinity Perfect 6.1s, MB Quart Q series, CDT EF-61s, some older Polks, Dynaudios, and some JL comps.

1st let me say that I am not a CDT fan. I was thoroughly unimpressed with the EF-61s. They sounded good yes, for an entry level comp, but were very weak in midbass. I only decided to give the Eurosports a go because of the great price I got them at. The other options for me were Seas Lotus comps, DLS Iridiums, or Rainbow Profi Vanadiums. (all were over $900).

Also, I recently got to experience a pair of CDT HD-61s, and was far more impressed than with mine...

SO I figured, what the heck, if I hate the ES 620's I'll dump em on Ebay and go with the Lotus.

Installation was a snap cause they had the same mounting depth and frame as the EF-61s.

1st Impressions: Not good. Flat. Midbass not what I was expecting. To my horror they distorted quite easily. I was utterly horrified by the mid woofer of CDT's "flagship".

But, the 1 inch silk tweeter sounded great. I always have been a fan of silk tweeters for their warmpth and lack of edginess, and this one really delivered. Hands down the best tweeter I have ever heard in a car.

SO back I go to figure out if I had screwed up the midbass setup. Nope...wiring all correct. So off I go to work on tweaking this mid woofer to do what people say it can do. I take it off 250 watts RMS and put 75 watts RMS to each. Big difference, much better, but still not great. I think the PG was prolly pumping out 300 watts as they are underrated.

SO now they are comfortable and in no danger of being overdriven. Off I go on tweaking sessions. Many of them. Cant get them to sound good. The MB Quarts blew these out of the water. They still sound flat, no mid bass.

At this point I was crossing them over at 100 Hz with a 24hz/dB slope. (where my RE would pick up at 100 Hz low pass)

SO I got even more frustrated and drove with them for a week to see if they would wake up a bit. Nope, they still sounded like the Infinity perfects (NOW THOSE sounded HORRID).

In Complete dismay I broke out some classical CDs and turned off the sub, to perfectly set the gains using Henrich Gorekski's Symphony #9. In doing so I put the head unit into Defeat Mode Which turned out to be the smartest thing I did. I then used the gains/boosts/crossovers on the amps on the PG500.4 and 800.1.

Well something about doing that set these babies ALIVE. Suddenly I was running two 6 inch BEASTS of mids. A touch more tweaking at the amp level and I was grinning so hard my cheeks were hurting. The midbass came to life and man, it was THERE and hit hard and tight. Best midbass I have yet ever heard. It was as good as my buddies HDs. Tweets sounded much better, blended wonderfully... but it is the vocals which the ES's excel at. Vocals are so amazing on these comps I cant even put it to words. Sara McLaughlin with delerium was mesmerizing!

And they just cant be distorted...if you think you hear a distortion, play it back soft, and it's on the track, not the speaker. These things just get sickly loud, but do it without losing their fine sound.

Conclusion: easily the best comps I have ever owned. Sound spectacular! Took alot of tweaking to get them to sing, but it was well worth it.
so while you were using the comps you had 75rms going to them and did they get loud enough to blend in with your XXX. did they sound any good with 250rms since i have the same amp as you i might have to buy these comps then

 
so while you were using the comps you had 75rms going to them and did they get loud enough to blend in with your XXX. did they sound any good with 250rms since i have the same amp as you i might have to buy these comps then

Yes I have had them running at both 250 watts RMS and 75 watts RMS.

I think having the amp bridged was giving them too much wattage-- the PG as we know is underrated and is prolly giving closer to 300 watts RMS bridged. I think it was a bit much for the ES 620's, but I am still experimenting with them, and it may just be a matter of fine tuning.

They seem very comfortable at 75 watts RMS and move plenty of air, plus I don't have to worry about overdriving them. And yes, they get loud enough to make you lose your hearing... Blend very nicely with the XXX. The midbass just from the 620's at 75 watts makes my rear view and side mirrors shake. I can feel air moving at the screw holes for the door paneling. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wow.gif.23d729408e9177caa2a0ed6a2ba6588e.gif Vocals sound so amazing...

Now that I have gotten them to sing, I am going to retry them at 250 watts RMS and keep the gains very low.

They really sound great now. I am so pleased I got this set for $399.

I would love to get them in an enclosure, rather than infinite baffle. I'm sure they would sound even cleaner.

 
I've had the same speakers for about a month driven by an ED Nine.4, and I'm still tweaking. To me they sound quite lifeless with the HU in "defeat". I can get them to sound OK with a generous dose of EQ but that's not the point, I need to go out there with an SPL meter and do some frequency response sweeps. I think bumping the crossover level up to +3 might add some needed brilliance and I'm hoping they'll open up more after breaking in too. Pickzilla, are you running your crossovers at "0" level?

 
I've had the same speakers for about a month driven by an ED Nine.4, and I'm still tweaking. To me they sound quite lifeless with the HU in "defeat". I can get them to sound OK with a generous dose of EQ but that's not the point, I need to go out there with an SPL meter and do some frequency response sweeps. I think bumping the crossover level up to +3 might add some needed brilliance and I'm hoping they'll open up more after breaking in too. Pickzilla, are you running your crossovers at "0" level?
exactly how are you tweaking them, do you have a seperate EQ or are you tweaking them off the headunits EQ????

 
exactly how are you tweaking them, do you have a seperate EQ or are you tweaking them off the headunits EQ????
HU has built-in options for frequency, level and Q so I've been playing with those. I'd like to get the speakers sounding their best with the HU settings "flat" though since I like accuracy. Right now they're sounding too dull that way, that's why I wondered what setting Pickzilla was using on his crossover. It seems like bumping it up to +3 may help, I just have to pull off my door panels to do it since my crossovers are behind them.

 
Great write up.. Brings up a great point about defeating any EQ'ing in the head unit.. I'm not surprised your speakers came alive.. With all my installs, I've learned getting the switch turned off to any "Bass Boost" or EQ is the first point of tuning.. Just sending nothing but good clean flat signal into the crossovers (active or passive) is the first step to tuning. Any "boost" or "EQ" can be dangerous to sound quality if not done properly or done by some cute "feature" in a head unit.

I'm glad your speakers got a chance to show you they were better than their tuning.

Makes me think.. (and I do not claim to be an expert.. just trying to learn as well).. but I'd guess there are proper steps in proper order for good system tuning.. ???? maybe something like:

1. Crossover points and slopes to get each driver pushing in it's appropriate bandwidth in harmony with the other drivers.. Along with amp gains.

2. time alignment to get them all arriving at the same time and eliminate as much phase cancellation as possible (flattening the frequency response and pulling the imaging together)

... I imagine 1 and 2 can prevent anything more than minimal use of 3 if done properly...

3. EQing only to eleviate off-axis driver to ear placement and in-car acoustic mess from sound inside a poor-acoustics car interior... Goal being to achieve perfectly flat.. and being conservative on what you add and where.

I'm I completely way off? Again, humble about it.. I'm no pro by any means.

 
I've had the same speakers for about a month driven by an ED Nine.4, and I'm still tweaking. To me they sound quite lifeless with the HU in "defeat". I can get them to sound OK with a generous dose of EQ but that's not the point, I need to go out there with an SPL meter and do some frequency response sweeps. I think bumping the crossover level up to +3 might add some needed brilliance and I'm hoping they'll open up more after breaking in too. Pickzilla, are you running your crossovers at "0" level?
Yes my X-overs are at "0" level.

I am using my amps for all my EQing. Luckily the PG Ti amps are great amps and very versatile. I am able to keep my gains very low

Are you bridging the ED to 150 watts or running at 65 RMS?

 
I bumped up my crossovers to +3 tonight and it pretty much solved the problem. I'm able to leave my settings at or near flat and the music has more life and better overall balance now. To answer your question Pickzilla I'm running that ED amp in 4-channel mode.

 
Glad you got your problems sorted out. I hate it when people jump to conclusions with CDT. Properly setup in a good install they are really good components.

 
I have the es-630 with the black woven glass cones, drt 25 and 560i xover, hands down one of the best set up i have, vocals are one of the best plus kick drums that i have heard. It took awhile to tune it right and broken in. Alotta people dont like CDT but i think there Es lines are well worth it especially when there on sale //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif when models like es-07 are out

 
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