Cap or no Cap?

I'm going to skip past all other commentary and lay it out on the table as I see it.

Your car runs at what?

14.4 Volts.

Given the nature of the battery, it's resting voltage is?

12.6 Volts.

Now if you add a modest system to a vehicle with an 80 ampere alternator and suddenly experience that your alternator is incapable of keeping up, then you are presented with an issue, which we know as light dimming. This happens when the supply required is inadequate, and the vehicle voltage level drops near or to the battery level. It doesn't seem like much, but it IS. That is where the light dimming happens.

Adding a capacitor is not a valid fix for this. Your issue is your LACK of 14.4V available power. This is because your alternator is incapable of providing the current that is needed for the demand that is there. If it cannot, you fall back on the battery for the lost amount of energy. The capacitor can eliminate some light dimming, but not eliminate the problem of you are running your alternator at 100%, and will likely prematurely wear it out.

I am not a cap hater. I have two 1F capacitors myself. I just gave one away. The second sits on my test bench. They did me NO good, either sonically, or in terms of stabalizing voltage. I first purchased a 180 amp high output alternator to resolve my current supply issues, and never needed the capacitor. I bought it just to see if it was worth it, and it was not.

Your amplifiers have an internal reserve bank to supply the output FET's and stabalize any fluxuation. If that internal reserve bank does not work to the level that it hinders the amplifiers performance, then the designer is at fault for not planning it out properly.

If your system cannot supply a stable supply of 14.4V, then your system is too large. There is only ONE source of 14.4V power in your car, and that is your alternator. Period. No questions asked. A capacitor is not a supplier, it is a storage facilitator, and a pretty poor one for that matter. Remember, if it doesn't PRODUCE power, and it is in the power path, it is a load.

 
When I bought a new vehicle about 3 years ago I decided to install it first without a capacitor. Well what I noticed is that my bass was not really as tight as I thought it should be. I thought it could be the amplifiers and seeing how I was ready for new ones anyway I bought some new amps. Well it was still not what I expected it to be. I had no light dimming or any other power drain problems. And yes I used a volt meter to test it. So then I figured what the hell and bought a 1Farad cap. I was very happy with the results, the bass was much tighter and more accurate than it was before the cap. So I think caps can help out alot in some cases. I am sold on capacitors. I run a mostly SQ system and my attention to detail over quantity is pretty good. Therefore, from a SQ standpoint a capacitor can make a subtle yet very important difference.

Larry

So for me it's like this----my SQ system + capacitor= me being //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif :D

 
i'm pretty sure he doesnt need one and i'm also quite positive that when your amp is not getting enough your lights will dim (basic car electrics, signal endurance levels will cauz your lights to experience it earlier then the amp itself meaning that it can be so that your lights dim because your amp IS getting what it needs (and therefore your lights arent).

A capacitator is sometimes needed in my opinion but will never be needed by me couz I find the whole thing a bloody insult to anybody who has an ABC on electrical engineering....

The cap is no more then a decorated, luxieus condensator to feed little extra's faster to the amp, why spend 150 bucks for a 1 farad cap if I can order component parts at conrad.com and build one myself ? The only difference is that I could build around 10 caps for the price of one storage cap

cap or crap ? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 
i use no caps and it seems to be fine however my lights do not dim either but ..................you never can tell how much you draw your alt down unless ya get it tested......//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif

 
Originally posted by beastyle I can order component parts at http://www.conrad.com and build one myself. The only difference is that I could build around 10 caps for the price of one storage cap

cap or crap ? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif
Crap, definitely crap..//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 
Wow, i never thought i'd start WW3 with a question about a cap!

But thanks, guys,i'll see if i need it when i get the amp, also my friend who is somewhat of a cap hater (It apparently blew his alt- i doubt it) he says i can try his with my system, so i'll hear the diff and figure it out.

thx again:)

 
Well, i think i will get a cap for my system. where is a good CHEAP online place that has them. First my friend is trying to get me one for 30 each, but more than likely it will be 69 each. He was going to trade in some of his old equipment and hook me up. Anyways, and if someone online has one for sale, let me know and we can try to work out something

 
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