? about Critical Mass

[nauc 10+ year member]

I have no complaints with their products....quality cost money....

so in your opinion, what is it about that 1400 watt amp thats worth $8000

since thats about 5.7x the average "dollar a watt" price

 

[Etac 10+ year member]

I have no complaints with their products....quality cost money....

lol for how much critical mass charges for their speakers/equipment, they should come with free meeting with a trauma counselor, cause they just **** you

 

[kmanian 5,000+ posts]

Im confused why the few CM fans here rally around the idea that those are just their retail prices. Not to split hairs here, but that's exactly the point. If you can 'get it down to $8k' then yes, them posting a $100k msrp price tag is them being douchebags. Every manufacturer plays that same msrp shell game... but CM raises the bar. Substantially.
So to answer the original question, yes CM is just fucking around to make their products look that much better based on the notion of price = quality. And before you CMass fans even say it, this is not a knock on CM's quality in any way. Only their pricing scheme, and marketing plan. Its silly a company that makes such quality products then turns around and attempts to feed them to the ignorant. CM really has an odd business plan in that regard.

Even if those prices are inflated merely for marketing, how can we trust their 'real' prices aren't still over inflated? You could argue if you dont want the quality, then dont pay the price. Fair enough. but you cannot also argue that with quality must come the price. We've already established CMass will bullshit us in regard to cost/price. So we start referring to used prices with respect to being able to find the products 'reasonable'. That pretty much just shows the original purchaser is the one who will 'take it on the chin' when it comes to price versus value, unless he never resells the piece used. Really makes me want to run right out and buy something from CMass...

business plan is odd at the least, but it works for them I guess.

As for comp'ing their stuff to others, what comp's to the UL12 directly? the LS series has a few that can comp. as for subs only the SS series can be comp'ed directly to other subs. The amps and comps we could do the same thing, although I think they are less remarkable, (not saying they are not fantastic though)

 

[kmanian 5,000+ posts]

so in your opinion, what is it about that 1400 watt amp thats worth $8000
since thats about 5.7x the average "dollar a watt" price

lol for how much critical mass charges for their speakers/equipment, they should come with free meeting with a trauma counselor, cause they just **** you

All to often the consumer pays too much of the latter, for too little of the former.

Do you have the same opinion about Sinfoni, Brax, Rainbow, Dynaudio, Genisis, Morel, McIntosh...

All of these companies and ones like them have products that to the average Joe seem to be outragious. They all have quality, features or querks that lend them selves to the smallest market at the top of the economic ladder. They all pass the point of deminishing return. For those who don't value the added benefits or exclusivity understanding would obviously be hard to come by.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

As for comp'ing their stuff to others, what comp's to the UL12 directly?

Who was comparing a UL12 to... anything? Did you miss my point kmanian?

 

[Louisiana_CRX 5,000+ posts]

Do you have the same opinion about Sinfoni, Brax, Rainbow, Dynaudio, Genisis, Morel, McIntosh...

All of these companies and ones like them have products that to the average Joe seem to be outragious. They all have quality, features or querks that lend them selves to the smallest market at the top of the economic ladder. They all pass the point of deminishing return. For those who don't value the added benefits or exclusivity understanding would obviously be hard to come by.

you forgot TRU //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[Louisiana_CRX 5,000+ posts]

Who was comparing a UL12 to... anything? Did you miss my point kmanian?

comparing high priced car audio.....

and complaining about high priced car audio...he probally assumed you would have complaints on a sub that retails for $2999.00 as well....

 

[kmanian 5,000+ posts]

Who was comparing a UL12 to... anything? Did you miss my point kmanian?

I was not saying directly that you were, simply that the retail price of the UL is completely within reason because there is no sub that is in its nitch.

and I got your point and it is valid up to a point, but to say that they are taking advantage of the ignorant is a stretch don't you think?

I have clients that pay $20k for a Vidikron flatscreen, that could be had for $6000 in Pioneer. It is what they want, and they are very informed. The same thing goes for the critical mass line of products. Not in all cases, but the ignorance is not absolute

 

[kmanian 5,000+ posts]

you forgot TRU //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

the list can go on and on.

but do you notice I never get a reply to this point:laugh:

 

[Louisiana_CRX 5,000+ posts]

the list can go on and on.
but do you notice I never get a reply to this argument:laugh:

yeah true the list is endless...

 

[kmanian 5,000+ posts]

at the end of the day is a Maybach worth $400k? does it do its job that much better than any other car? nope, but for some it is worth every penny.

End of story

 

[Louisiana_CRX 5,000+ posts]

at the end of the day is a Maybach worth $400k? does it do its job that much better than any other car? nope, but for some it is worth every penny.
End of story

lol:laugh:

 

[gunz4me 10+ year member]

Yeah, but Snoop Dogg runs Critical Mass in all his whips.... That has to count for something! I mean, if Snoop Dogg runs them, then EVERY gang banger and wannabe gang banger should want this up in their rides, fo shizzle! The icing on the cake will be if Unique Whips starts installing this in celeb rides...

 

[Pl8er 5,000+ posts]

This is one of the funnier threads I have read in a very long time.

You are all debating what the cost of quality is worth to YOU. I mean, we all know LCRX has excess money so what he considers to be worth it, may not necessarily be what you consider to be worth it. If I had end over ends of cash that I could take photos of and post online, I bet my opinion of what level of quality in my audio would be very different. I don't. Because of this I make do with what I have and do whatever I can to improve it (better installs, upgrades to the amps when I can).

I"m not saying anything negative about CRX at all. I'm glad he has the money, gets the equipment and lets us see.

 

[Louisiana_CRX 5,000+ posts]

Yeah, but Snoop Dogg runs Critical Mass in all his whips.... That has to count for something! I mean, if Snoop Dogg runs them, then EVERY gang banger and wannabe gang banger should want this up in their rides, fo shizzle! The icing on the cake will be if Unique Whips starts installing this in celeb rides...

Snoop Dog is Pimp.....