jco1385
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ironic much?
Tell that to his family.. The kid had never been arested or had a run in with the law before.. He had a few medical issues and they believed he just forgot to pay again. After this was all out it was told by the gas station he had done this on a few occasions to later come back and pay them.. He was not all there but he was a nice kid non the less..
i wouldnt have hit the cop but i would have left him all my papers and my ketys and told him to lock it up once he was done with the ticket. i figure he would call for backup if i just walked away so id have sometime to see her before she died. kinda strange he didnt just go inside. his wife did and the cop didnt chase them...that cop will lose his job if they lawyer up...they may even get paid...
There's a whole lot more to this story you're not sharing or don't know.
No one pulls someone over for a no-pay on gas and immediately jumps out and opens fire on someone's back.
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jco1385
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you said this while responding to me. i thought it was funniez. maybe not.
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Opps I was wrong only 5 shots in his back... Also looks like he had a few traffic violations also..
While authorities kept their comments short, a father condemned police Tuesday for killing his son during a chase that began after he drove away from a service station without paying for $15 worth of gasoline.
"This was no justified shooting," Terry Smith, 49, of El Paso said after a news conference about the death of Shannon L. Smith, who had been shot several times in the back.
Terry Smith said his son, 27, of rural Weston was developmentally disabled and would not hurt anyone.
"This is plain down murder, and I want the guy that did or the woman, whichever the case, be tried as for a murder, as I would be if I was to shoot a cop," Smith said.
In a corner of the Law and Justice Center board room, where the news conference was held, about a dozen of Smith's relatives gasped and sobbed when McLean County Coroner Dan Brady began to describe the fatal gunshots.
Authorities said the low- speed chase started just after 4:30 p.m., when Shannon Smith failed to pay a $15 gas tab at the Citgo gas station in Chenoa in northern McLean County.
Smith failed to stop for police, who reportedly called off the chase at one point only to resume it an hour later. The chase ended shortly after 6:30 p.m. two miles north of the Towanda exit on Interstate 55, when five police bullets hit Smith, most of them in the back, Brady said. He added that Smith was grazed by other shots.
Brady could not identify the caliber of the bullets that struck Smith. He did say toxicology testing and other tests needed for a coroner's inquest could be completed in six to eight weeks.
Illinois State Police District 6 Cmdr. Michael Snyders said at least three departments, which he declined to identify, were involved in the chase.
Snyders also would not name the officers involved in the shooting or say what prompted it. He declined to say how many shots were fired, whether Smith was armed, what police knew about Smith's mental condition or police record during the chase, and what nonlethal methods were used to try to subdue him.
Snyders apologized for not being able to answer specific questions.
"Unfortunately, those particular details, and questions similar to that, are elements of the ongoing investigation, and at this time we're not prepared to release that information," he said.
Snyders said District 6, with the help of the state police internal investigation's shooting team, would lead the investigation. Snyders said no state police officers were involved in the pursuit or the shooting of Smith.
Snyders said that after Tuesday, all questions about Smith's death would be referred to the McLean County State's Attorney's Office.
Shooting his son in the back was an act of "cowardice," Terry Smith said.
"Some cop in the front (of his car) shot his tires out - right there that says he couldn't go anywhere - and then somebody unloads five shots in the back windshield at him. Isn't one enough?"
Terry Smith's version of the shooting was not confirmed by police.
It was unclear whether Smith died instantly or whether he received medical attention after being shot. Brady said Tuesday he found Smith still in his car and pronounced him dead at 8:10 p.m.
Shannon Smith's mother, Diane Moreno of Carlock, also was at the news conference but declined to comment.
Terry Smith said his son was hit on the head in an accident when he was 3 years old but also believes his son had personality disorders from birth.
That led to constant harassment from peers, Terry Smith said, leading him to move his son several times to protect him from abuse. Terry Smith also said officers should have known about his son's mental condition before stopping him.
"He freaks out when he thinks someone is going to hurt him," Terry Smith said. "They knew he was mentally disabled ... they knew who he was by the time they read his license plates - it came right back to who he was. If (police) are not trained on how to handle a mentally disabled child, then they should not be on the force."
Terry Smith said his son had driven off without paying for gas once before. But he argued that police knew where his son lived and could have waited until he returned home to arrest him.
Terry Smith also scoffed at the notion that his son could have provoked the officers with violence, claiming his son never owned or fired guns.
"He was never brought up that way, he'd never hurt no one," Smith said. "He's been hit on and picked on but would always walk away."
Shannon Smith's sister, Tara Griglione, 25, echoed her father, saying her brother was a free spirit.
"He would call me up and be goofy," she said. "He was different, he was one of a kind. There was nobody like Shannon."
Terry Smith said his son's only real love were his 25 dogs and that he wanted to start a kennel as a way of getting away from accepting the Social Security disability checks he was drawing at the time of his death.
But because of neighbors' complaints about the dogs, Smith said he helped his son move to a place with more land near the tiny northeastern McLean County community of Weston.
Terry Smith said he and his son had closed on the property the morning before Shannon was killed.
Terry Smith said money from any legal settlement isn't important to him, but he would like his son's memory honored with a dog kennel.
"That was his dream, to have a not-for-profit kennel built," Terry Smith said. "And I want his dogs taken care of until the day they die."
While authorities kept their comments short, a father condemned police Tuesday for killing his son during a chase that began after he drove away from a service station without paying for $15 worth of gasoline.
"This was no justified shooting," Terry Smith, 49, of El Paso said after a news conference about the death of Shannon L. Smith, who had been shot several times in the back.
Terry Smith said his son, 27, of rural Weston was developmentally disabled and would not hurt anyone.
"This is plain down murder, and I want the guy that did or the woman, whichever the case, be tried as for a murder, as I would be if I was to shoot a cop," Smith said.
In a corner of the Law and Justice Center board room, where the news conference was held, about a dozen of Smith's relatives gasped and sobbed when McLean County Coroner Dan Brady began to describe the fatal gunshots.
Authorities said the low- speed chase started just after 4:30 p.m., when Shannon Smith failed to pay a $15 gas tab at the Citgo gas station in Chenoa in northern McLean County.
Smith failed to stop for police, who reportedly called off the chase at one point only to resume it an hour later. The chase ended shortly after 6:30 p.m. two miles north of the Towanda exit on Interstate 55, when five police bullets hit Smith, most of them in the back, Brady said. He added that Smith was grazed by other shots.
Brady could not identify the caliber of the bullets that struck Smith. He did say toxicology testing and other tests needed for a coroner's inquest could be completed in six to eight weeks.
Illinois State Police District 6 Cmdr. Michael Snyders said at least three departments, which he declined to identify, were involved in the chase.
Snyders also would not name the officers involved in the shooting or say what prompted it. He declined to say how many shots were fired, whether Smith was armed, what police knew about Smith's mental condition or police record during the chase, and what nonlethal methods were used to try to subdue him.
Snyders apologized for not being able to answer specific questions.
"Unfortunately, those particular details, and questions similar to that, are elements of the ongoing investigation, and at this time we're not prepared to release that information," he said.
Snyders said District 6, with the help of the state police internal investigation's shooting team, would lead the investigation. Snyders said no state police officers were involved in the pursuit or the shooting of Smith.
Snyders said that after Tuesday, all questions about Smith's death would be referred to the McLean County State's Attorney's Office.
Shooting his son in the back was an act of "cowardice," Terry Smith said.
"Some cop in the front (of his car) shot his tires out - right there that says he couldn't go anywhere - and then somebody unloads five shots in the back windshield at him. Isn't one enough?"
Terry Smith's version of the shooting was not confirmed by police.
It was unclear whether Smith died instantly or whether he received medical attention after being shot. Brady said Tuesday he found Smith still in his car and pronounced him dead at 8:10 p.m.
Shannon Smith's mother, Diane Moreno of Carlock, also was at the news conference but declined to comment.
Terry Smith said his son was hit on the head in an accident when he was 3 years old but also believes his son had personality disorders from birth.
That led to constant harassment from peers, Terry Smith said, leading him to move his son several times to protect him from abuse. Terry Smith also said officers should have known about his son's mental condition before stopping him.
"He freaks out when he thinks someone is going to hurt him," Terry Smith said. "They knew he was mentally disabled ... they knew who he was by the time they read his license plates - it came right back to who he was. If (police) are not trained on how to handle a mentally disabled child, then they should not be on the force."
Terry Smith said his son had driven off without paying for gas once before. But he argued that police knew where his son lived and could have waited until he returned home to arrest him.
Terry Smith also scoffed at the notion that his son could have provoked the officers with violence, claiming his son never owned or fired guns.
"He was never brought up that way, he'd never hurt no one," Smith said. "He's been hit on and picked on but would always walk away."
Shannon Smith's sister, Tara Griglione, 25, echoed her father, saying her brother was a free spirit.
"He would call me up and be goofy," she said. "He was different, he was one of a kind. There was nobody like Shannon."
Terry Smith said his son's only real love were his 25 dogs and that he wanted to start a kennel as a way of getting away from accepting the Social Security disability checks he was drawing at the time of his death.
But because of neighbors' complaints about the dogs, Smith said he helped his son move to a place with more land near the tiny northeastern McLean County community of Weston.
Terry Smith said he and his son had closed on the property the morning before Shannon was killed.
Terry Smith said money from any legal settlement isn't important to him, but he would like his son's memory honored with a dog kennel.
"That was his dream, to have a not-for-profit kennel built," Terry Smith said. "And I want his dogs taken care of until the day they die."
andrew2944r
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Thats bad, some people will never get it...
Almost all the quotes with any statements about the incident in that story are from the vitim's father, who was not there when the incident occurred.
And your friend was shot by police when failing to stop during a police chase.
So what exactly has been proven to have been done incorrectly by police in this case?
And your friend was shot by police when failing to stop during a police chase.
So what exactly has been proven to have been done incorrectly by police in this case?
jco1385
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expert jcologist
where was the non-lethal action? what provoked the officer to fire 5 shots?
not all police chases end with a shooting.
whatever bro he was a kid I went to school with and I know exactly how he acted.. I am sure he freaked out as I had seen him do it in school when he was confronted.. Anyways a low speed chase when he is blocked in is NO REASON to shot and kill someone.. If you think it is you are ****ed up.... Mine you this was a rural cop in a town of 500 that shot him non of the county or state cops fired any shots at all.. Scary that a small town cop that did like a 10 week course can carry a gun kill someone and then get away and hes back on the force...
dragnix
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LXIX
I'm sure his mom would want him by his side when she's dying too.
you're not exactly thinking about that when you have a family member who's dying
Anyways enough about this I feel sorry for the Moat family.. She was probably trying to hang on until they all made it there but died when she was comforted by her Daughter at her side... I know I would hope if that was me my wife and sons would be at my side so I could be with them as I took my last breath...
Probably because he was innocent.
The police in Texas seem to be the most irrational and power-wielding.
Megalomaniac
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Mr.SQ
the cops on that toll road are pretty cruel. Plano cops love to hand out tickets along with the Frisco police next town over.
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