2 Orion HCCA5000d or 2 saz-3000d

[teggybwoy 10+ year member]

ok im goin to buy either 1 18" hdc3 or 1 dd9518, which amps would be better to power the sub to the full extent?

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[groundpound4200 5,000+ posts]

I dont think you'll need that much power for either choice. I would do 1 Sundown 3k and either of the 18s.

 

[Annnarbor84 5,000+ posts]

ok im goin to buy either 1 18" hdc3 or 1 dd9518, which amps would be better to power the sub to the full extent?

Highly doubt either would take this amount of power daily. If I had to choose though, I would go with the DD.

 

[sundownz Pro Seller]

Don't get those Orions... they are problematic. If you want an Orion find the older 2500D

 

[teggybwoy 10+ year member]

so i would be straight with 1 sundown 3k for spl competion?

 

[gunz4me 10+ year member]

Don't get those Orions... they are problematic. If you want an Orion find the older 2500D

How can this be? John Durbin told me himself that the latest generation of Orion amps are better than ANY of the previous versions, especially the original HCCA series (225, 250, 2100).

Of course, I am being sarcastic!

ETA: Even if you catch my subliminal message, John Durbin sure does love the new Class D HCCA amps. This was his response to me slamming the continuation of DEI's Orion using the HCCA name:

Might as well throw a bucket of reality on the rest of this rant while I'm at it:

The class D models we started shipping a few years ago are in fact High Current Competiton Amplifiers. They deliver high current output into 1 ohm loads, compared to a typical 4 ohm load that class AB amps are generally designed for.

When was the last time you saw people competing with a van full of "cheater amps"? Low-impedance class D (and the related variants) is the state of the art, in the 21st century anyway.

Those cheatre amp days are long gone. Lanzar Opti's, HCCA's, other 1/4 0hm stable amps serve no useful purpose other than to drain batteries. It's all about getting the most current to the load efficiently, and in a power constrained environment of a vehicle, class D is simply a better solution. Orion would likely have built monstrous class D amps back then if they'd known how to.

In fact, Orion Industries was building big amps that used bipolar power supplies. Today we know that this is a horrible design choice; conventional transistors don't like switching that fast and are nowhere near as well-suited for use in a switching power supply as a typical MOSFET. They go bang a lot more often than MOSFET's used in the same application, Anyone need some spare 2N6488/2N6490's? That's why none of the later HCCA or XTR amps were built that way.

The fact that the original "bulletproof" red HCCA amps were as reliable as they were is a real testament to the quality of components used, consistency of assembly, and massive over-building in terms of transistor count. These designs required that. But by the end of the HCCA design history under previous management, they were simply not reliable. The G5 series - esp. the big ones - were flamethrowers. Boards caught fire, the return rate was better tnah 50% in some cases. Orion had stopped producing the two largest models by the time we acquired ADST.

Also, Orion themselves introduced class D under the previous ownership (ADST days, pre-DEI). The XTR PRO amps are class D, and were in production in 2001 when DEI bought ADST. They were also pretty scary, you can launch the power supply of an XTR PRO 1000 amp in a split second if you hook up power the wrong way.

That's why the 2003 amp lineup that was authored in Phoenix had no red amps and made the transition to a better class D design for the sub amps together with new AB models all under shared Orion branding, which also eliminated the XTR PRO and HCCA series names. They knew the brand needed more reliable product in order to survive and were simplifying the lineup in the process, as well as distancing themselves from the horrible reliability of the last generation of HCCA and XTR PRO amps. In retrospect, the new product delivered what it was intended to, but I'm not sure dropping those names was the right choice.

We simply continued that direction with the current generation of class D amps, but brought back the HCCA series designation. You can take exception to the use of the HCCA name if you want, but in fact they are the logical extension of the HCCA legacy into this century, and the amps themslves are hugely better than the XTR PRO and the red G5-series HCCA class AB amps they replaced in the lineup. If we had painted them red, would you understand the lineage better?

Yeah, the "good old days" rocked! Where's the excitement if you can't count on setting fire to an amp regularly?

But, go ahead and live in the past sharing space with ghosts and legends, if it makes you feel good

ETA2: And he wonders why I hate him so much:wow:

 

[sundownz Pro Seller]

so i would be straight with 1 sundown 3k for spl competion?

You can burp two on the DD for SPL competitions.

For daily one is plenty.

 

[RAM_Designs 5,000+ posts]

Don't get those Orions... they are problematic. If you want an Orion find the older 2500D

x2, I've heard about the new ones being a problem as well...I loved my two 2500D's though, strong amps.

 

[denim 5,000+ posts]

Jacob is right 2500D if you go Orion, I have one and love it, one of only two class-D's I have kept.

 

The Sundown is on sale BTW. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[dasinde91 10+ year member]

Sundown HANDS DOWN........ I looked into those HCCA amps now. Directed took over orion, so I am not all that sure about directed products. I know directed makes good alarms.