12 cvx vs 15

[cotjones 10+ year member]

Are you seriously blind? I said nothing of the difference between the output of the 12s vs the 15s but rather about the comment you made about the SQ going to shit if you go ported. This is just not the case at all.
So wait, a nice response from 30-60hz is only good for rap? What the ****? You do know that this range is the bass range, correct? Your front stage should really be handling the 80hz region and up, not the sub.

I would also bet my system and my car that you would not be able to hear the difference between the sealed and ported enclosure from 55-80hz. The difference in output is so insignificant and the curve is so similar, it would be VERY hard to guess which enclosure you are listening to.

Oh, wait, I'm sorry... I have done all that and the only place I notice a difference was in the lower frequencies. And yes, I listen to all kinds of music. Right now, I'm listening to some Jethro Tull, DragonForce, and Me First and the Gimme Gimmes.

I think you completely misunderstood my post or you're just trying to argue because that's what you love to do. The point was that going ported does not ruin the response or SQ of the driver. It does give a different FR curve and in this case, it's just as flat, if not more so, than the sealed. So please, take your unexperienced and ignorant statements elsewhere.

Oh, and yes, you can fit the subs on a 16" surface. The cutout diameter is 13 7/8" which is perfectly fine for a 16" baffle with no angling needed.

wrong again! the thread is about the difference between porting 12's and having as much output as sealed 15's! so you were the one argueing about nothing... you come on this thread and specifically attack ME about the wrong subject... when others said the same thing

and if you want ur mids handling 80-100 hz then go for it

 

[Immacomputer 10+ year member]

wrong again! the thread is about the difference between porting 12's and having as much output as sealed 15's! so you were the one argueing about nothing... you come on this thread and specifically attack ME about the wrong subject... when others said the same thing
and if you want ur mids handling 80-100 hz then go for it

I was correcting you on saying that SQ will go to shit. Wow you are retarded.

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

Are you seriously blind? I said nothing of the difference between the output of the 12s vs the 15s but rather about the comment you made about the SQ going to shit if you go ported. This is just not the case at all.
So wait, a nice response from 30-60hz is only good for rap? What the ****? You do know that this range is the bass range, correct? Your front stage should really be handling the 80hz region and up, not the sub.

I would also bet my system and my car that you would not be able to hear the difference between the sealed and ported enclosure from 55-80hz. The difference in output is so insignificant and the curve is so similar, it would be VERY hard to guess which enclosure you are listening to.

But wait, I wouldn't know that because I haven't listened to my same sub in both sealed and ported enclosures in the same car with the same power playing the same music, have I?

Oh, wait, I'm sorry... I have done all that and the only place I notice a difference was in the lower frequencies. And yes, I listen to all kinds of music. Right now, I'm listening to some Jethro Tull, DragonForce, and Me First and the Gimme Gimmes.

I think you completely misunderstood my post or you're just trying to argue because that's what you love to do. The point was that going ported does not ruin the response or SQ of the driver. It does give a different FR curve and in this case, it's just as flat, if not more so, than the sealed. So please, take your unexperienced and ignorant statements elsewhere.

Oh, and yes, you can fit the subs on a 16" surface. The cutout diameter is 13 7/8" which is perfectly fine for a 16" baffle with no angling needed.

oh yeah a 12" sub should hit around up to 120 with dominance, a 6.5 mid shouldn't really ever hit below 110

 

[Chevyaudio 5,000+ posts]

wrong again! the thread is about the difference between porting 12's and having as much output as sealed 15's! so you were the one argueing about nothing... you come on this thread and specifically attack ME about the wrong subject... when others said the same thing
and if you want ur mids handling 80-100 hz then go for it

I do want my midbass to handle 80hz...

I have my sub low passed at 60hz with a 12db slope.

And like I said if you think you can get louder than me with sealed 15s go right ahead buddy.

Actually, I'll give up a 12" if you let me use more power.

so me with 1 12" vs your 2 15s...Im down. I have a Termlab, and I will video tape it.

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

I was correcting you on saying that SQ will go to shit. Wow you are retarded.

it's correct!! if he trys to get alot more output out of a ported the sq will be much different than ported you showed... much worse so ur diagram might not be that bad but it was designed that way if he wanted to go ported he wouldn't even consider that box so yes the point you are argueing is.... pointless... you were just tring to throw shit at me again and i'm tired of it, it doesn't matter if i'm right you still pick at everything you possibly can... even if i had said all ported enclosures make sq go to shit, which i didn't... my advice to him that the 15's would be better than the 12's is still correct, but i guess thats the reason i should "go back into hiding"... because i gave right advice... but ur completly right i'm the one who's retarded

 

[Immacomputer 10+ year member]

oh yeah a 12" sub should hit around up to 120 with dominance, a 6.5 mid shouldn't really ever hit below 110

You are retarded.

Part of decent sound quality is imaging. Bass starts becoming directional around 80hz and up. A 100hz tone is very directional and having your subs playing those frequencies will draw the stage behind you. Also, having your sub playing those frequencies will cause harmonics in the 200hz region which is even more directional.

I guess it's hard to argue what sound quality is with a guy running four 10s and one 13...

but ur completly right i'm the one who's retarded

You finally got something correct.

I pick on you because you over generalize and you're wrong 90% of the time. I don't like people spitting out information that is incorrect and saying it with such confidence. This causes confusion and starts all sorts of garbage that people will believe without even trying to figure out for themselves.

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

I was correcting you on saying that SQ will go to shit. Wow you are retarded.

it's correct!! if he trys to get alot more output out of a ported the sq will be much different than ported you showed... much worse.. so ur diagram might not be that bad but it was designed that way if he wanted to go ported he wouldn't even consider that box so yes the point you are argueing is.... pointless... you were just tring to throw shit at me again and i'm tired of it, it doesn't matter if i'm right you still pick at everything you possibly can... even if i had said all ported enclosures make sq go to shit, which i didn't... my advice to him that the 15's would be better than the 12's is still correct, but i guess thats the reason i should "go back into hiding"... because i gave right advice... but ur completly right i'm the one who's retarded

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

You are retarded.
Part of decent sound quality is imaging. Bass starts becoming directional around 80hz and up. A 100hz tone is very directional and having your subs playing those frequencies will draw the stage behind you. Also, having your sub playing those frequencies will cause harmonics in the 200hz region which is even more directional.

I guess it's hard to argue what sound quality is with a guy running four 10s and one 13...

so something is wrong about hearing 100 hz from behind you and as far as the comment about my system... you make me sick, like really, seeing your name in a post makes me want to vomit.. and 100 htz isn't very directional... mabe as a sign wave but not at all in music... but i guess thats opinion... a more important fact is that most midrange drivers can't do 100 hz loud enough to even matter

 

[Grinder1989 5,000+ posts]

Is it possible to be smarter than someone else without their knowledge?//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

 

[Chevyaudio 5,000+ posts]

so something is wrong about hearing 100 hz from behind you and as far as the comment about my system... you make me sick, like really, seeing your name in a post makes me want to vomit.. and 100 htz isn't very directional... mabe as a sign wave but not at all in music... but i guess thats opinion... a more important fact is that most midrange drivers can't do 100 hz loud enough to even matter

last time I checked 100hz is 100hz, didn't matter whether it was in a test tone or a song?

And an adequate mid bass driver can play 80hz and up with authority.

So I guess you need your 13 to take care of the lows and your 10s to take care of the higher bass eh?

You really should stop while you are ahead man.

 

[Immacomputer 10+ year member]

so something is wrong about hearing 100 hz from behind you and as far as the comment about my system... you make me sick, like really, seeing your name in a post makes me want to vomit.. and 100 htz isn't very directional... mabe as a sign wave but not at all in music... but i guess thats opinion... a more important fact is that most midrange drivers can't do 100 hz loud enough to even matter

If my posts make you sick, then leave. Get off of this forum and go away. You might as well just get off the internet; it will be a better place without your garbage.

It's also not my problem your install (maybe components too but I have never used or heard them so I cannot comment on them) sucks and you can't get your mids to play 100hz. That's really sad.

 

[woodplock7 10+ year member]

guys im sorry about starting all this arguing, but it did help me.

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

last time I checked 100hz is 100hz, didn't matter whether it was in a test tone or a song?
And an adequate mid bass driver can play 80hz and up with authority.

So I guess you need your 13 to take care of the lows and your 10s to take care of the higher bass eh?

You really should stop while you are ahead man.

well you are an absolute idiot for thinking 1 12 ported can beat the output of 2 15s sealed and sound worth half a shit, or even 2 12's... so that kinda blows holes in the credibility of your arguement, but beside that, a test tone gives you a consentrated sound which would probably going to be easily distinguished as coming from behind you, but i highly doubt in a song that you will hear 100 hz and it sound like its coming directly behind you, its more like the harmonics of a bass drum, i'd much rather that come from my subs and kick me in the *** when it hits and yes an 8" mid-bass driver should be able to handle 80 very well but a 6.5 or 5.25? at 80 hz? don't kid yourself, we aren't talking about spending 800 bucks on midbass drivers... the reality is it's nothing your favorite dude to flame does to the install so that his mids can't do 80, its that some head units high pass before 80 so it realy depends, if you want your mid's to handle the 80-100's then go for it but it's not gunna be as loud as having ur subs handleing it

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

If my posts make you sick, then leave. Get off of this forum and go away. You might as well just get off the internet; it will be a better place without your garbage.
It's also not my problem your install (maybe components too but I have never used or heard them so I cannot comment on them) sucks and you can't get your mids to play 100hz. That's really sad.

my only problem is that you repeatedly use your opinions as fact and think you don't have to hear mine? i have just as much right to be here as you, and you attack my credibilty by saying rediculous things like i am wrong 90% of the time...

and another ignorant concept is you continue to bash and bash my system and install having never seen or heard it, i would wager you've never even heard something compareable to it.. so it makes tonz of sence to attack my knowledge using it as a basis... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

 

[Chevyaudio 5,000+ posts]

lol...Go right ahead buddy. Think that.

You keep your "JL Audio is the god of car audio" attitude.