07 18" RE XXX; sealed box recommended, RE says NO

A butterworth Q of 0.7071 for that driver is over 13 cubic feet so thats where the large box confusion may come in... Here is whats happening. the driver has a highish Q and low sensitivity, in order to make more bass you need to put it in a smaller box and bring out the "ring" In other words, make it boomy just a bit. technically it will have much better "SQ" in a larger box, but a lot less SPL... take your pick. Lots of people associate SQ with SPL and the two are really married contrary to popular belief. In a sealed box, you can get a way with drastic differences in volume without much consequence on frequency response. In 5 cubic feet the driver has about a 1dB ring and it looks quite nice. You'll get about 1.5db more SPL across the board from 30Hz and up from the larger box, but its a higher Q alignment. IMO, I would go with the small box as RE suggests. The larger boxes will make more SPL below 30Hz… not very critical in car audio. A bessel alignment is 35 cubic feet sealed for this driver! If you want a low Q out of this driver, you're **** with an IB in a house. Forget the ultra deep SPL and go for a little ring. (~5 cubes)
Ported.... we'll now you're dancing with the boomy alignments. Because the Fs is low and Q is high, most of the recommend alignments are ported very deep and none start below 16 cubic feet. Its extremely hard to put this driver in a ported box and get a linear alignment... don't even try!

Anything in a small or large box tuning high will just sound boomy, it doest matter. What you have to do is accept this and tune lower and then just use that ring (high Q) to even out the response naturally. Here is what looks good.

16 cubic feet tuned to 16Hz. Oddly enough in this case, you’re actually not losing much SPL (save for boomy peaks) anywhere tuning low, what’s happening is the high Q down around 16Hz, balances out with the natural 16 feet active driver alignment and you tend to get a very linear response with just a tad bit of boost peaking right at ~23Hz, and it continues throughout the entire pass band. The driver also had good throw, at least 3" worth so tuning low will be OK from a BL and Suspension standpoint.

If you tune higher, it pushes this peak up in the response and in SPL and there is no saving it no matter what size box you have. Basically you will lose SQ !

Here is what I would do.

16cubes at 16Hz OR

5 cubes sealed

Not much else looks good for SQ.

9 cubes at 30Hz… if you want SQ, this is going to be horrible! 11dB peak and everything will sound like its 35Hz (boomy)

You could also make the box smaller while keeping the tuning low (16Hz), this wont make anyhing peak, but you'lll just lose low end SPL and it may be OK if you need to save space because there is not much content below 25Hz in music. No matter what keep tuning below 20Hz if you want SQ. Its not because you need deep bass, its because otherwise it will become very boomy for the upper bass!

8 cubic feet at 20Hz would be my absooulte limit. You're looking at 4dB peak (ring) right at ~32Hz.. see, you would not have guess that tuning at 20Hz would produce a peak at 32Hz... without modeling softare, you can go very wrong with a tricky driver like this one.
wow. a lot of stuff i understood and a lot i didn't.

so basically according to the driver itself, porting it anyway aside from the 16cubes (insane size box) isn't going to sound the BEST, but a 5 cube sealed box should basically be the BEST bet.

now, with your knowledge of this driver, going from say 9cubes@30hz to 5 cubes sealed, what difference(s) will i notice when it comes to actual listening (spl, sq, low end, etc.)

 
wow just get a **** box built god **** it.
i will, but like i said, not made of money.

upgrades:

300amp alternator: $400+

box: $250-300 (not building it myself, time constraints and what not)

new amp: $800-1000

toss me 2 grand and i'll "build the ****ing box"

 
You think the idiot your talking to in tech support built that thing? Im pretty sure at most they drop the soft parts in and glue them in, that is if they even do that.
nah, i don't think they built it but they do test them in different enclosures, i know that much... but i'm just debating on what to go with, ported or sealed, i want deep low bass and i get opinions come from both ends, and just trying to finalize an idea before i drop 250-300 into a box.

 
wow. a lot of stuff i understood and a lot i didn't.
so basically according to the driver itself, porting it anyway aside from the 16cubes (insane size box) isn't going to sound the BEST, but a 5 cube sealed box should basically be the BEST bet.

now, with your knowledge of this driver, going from say 9cubes@30hz to 5 cubes sealed, what difference(s) will i notice when it comes to actual listening (spl, sq, low end, etc.)
What he is saying is the same thing that I have been saying. The only difference is that he is assuming you don't care for any thing below 30hz. You said over and over you want thick low end and going with the large sealed enclosure will give you that.

I REALLY want to hear the RE guys try to defend going ported with the 18" XXX. I would then also like to hear how they define SQ. Then, go ahead and have them try to justify why going ported is going to give you the response you desire. You want this thing to have authority below 30hz correct? If so, the large sealed enclosure will be excellent. They may consider a thick low end "muddy" but that is really a terrible term to use. I've heard IB systems with specs similar to this sub and they sound excellent with a ton of low end authority and don't come anywhere near sounding muddy.

 
What he is saying is the same thing that I have been saying. The only difference is that he is assuming you don't care for any thing below 30hz. You said over and over you want thick low end and going with the large sealed enclosure will give you that.
I REALLY want to hear the RE guys try to defend going ported with the 18" XXX. I would then also like to hear how they define SQ. Then, go ahead and have them try to justify why going ported is going to give you the response you desire. You want this thing to have authority below 30hz correct? If so, the large sealed enclosure will be excellent. They may consider a thick low end "muddy" but that is really a terrible term to use. I've heard IB systems with specs similar to this sub and they sound excellent with a ton of low end authority and don't come anywhere near sounding muddy.
now, the guy above you said that essentially anything that ISNT 16 cubes @ whatever tuning he said wasn't prime, so according to him, its either a HUGE (16cubes) ported box or a smaller, 5 cube sealed.

now tell me this... main differences i will see from a 5 cube sealed to an 8 cube sealed?

 
From about 30hz and up, the 5 cube box will be louder with a peak around 40hz or so. The 9 cube sealed box will be louder below 30hz and will be flatter as you increase the frequency. If you want thick low end extension, and you want hood run down to play all the way down, the 9 cube sealed enclosure is where it's at. If you want a lot of output around 20hz, the 9 cube sealed enclosure is where it's at.

 
IB?

and another thing the majority of rap songs really don't go below 30hz. i mean it would be nice to go that low, but i'm not going to build a box to make ONE song play nice...

i mean here are a few examples in which it wasn't hitting at all:

yung joc - patron (when it goes low)

ALOT of jeezy's stuff (hypnotize, etc)

wyte - hoods run down

a lot of that stuff peaks at around like 30-35hz, and when i had my 6cube@35hz box, when patron would drop, the sub was moving air, but it definately didnt have any authority in doing so.

i want to be able to play most rap (whether it be todays hiphop, underground, etc.) and a lot of the stuff has higher frequency punchy songs for example, walk it out, lean wit it, etc. but there are also a lot of songs that just go low and would destroy with the right box/tuning (IE unk - beatin down yo block)

 
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