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False. The Biden administration never offered a $400 million dumptruck contract. That contract was revised from a much smaller figure a few weeks ago: https://www.npr.org/2025/02/24/nx-s1-5305269/tesla-state-department-elon-musk-trump

Second, you clearly did not do much research. Verizon's existing contract is to UPGRADE the current system. They have nothing to do with the issues currently happening, whereas Trump and Musk's decisions to fire a bunch of FAA air controllers definitely plays a hand in the issues. As for Starlink having the entire system up and running much sooner....yeah.....it's not surprising that Musk would claim that as he's trying to pry the contract away from Verizon. It's a silly claim with nothing to back it up.
Stoker,
Did you actually read what I wrote? I never said Biden offered it. I said IF Musk got the contract, it would have come from Biden because Biden is the one who asked his people to look into it. You started this topic by saying it was Trump and Musk who started looking into an armored vehicle contract with Tesla. Biden gave a budget of $400 million. It also states that in the article you sent.

I did do my research because I mentioned what you just said. I mentioned that Verizon was hired to update it, and I also mentioned it was going to take many years. Once the FAA learned about Starlink and how they could be 100% online within 18 months, the FAA decided pause the Verizon contract until they get a chance to see exactly if Starlink is a better route for them. This decision came before FAA employees were getting laid off.
 
He's prioritizing education and information. The gov't was coordinating/coercing tech platforms to de-platform accounts that were spreading something other than desired political narrative. 2 different things, but that doesn't fit the "Team Red is a bunch of hypocrites" narrative. Note the Elon didn't say he was prioritizing education and information to fit a desired political narrative, get back to me when you have evidence that Elon is banning or suppressing left wing accounts.
To reiterate: It's good when Musk censors what he chooses to censor, but it was bad when Twitter censored what they chose to censor.

Red, blue, green, purple. That smacks of hypocrisy no matter who it is.
 
I "focused" on that?
There were TWO points discussed, and I addressed TWO points, in TWO sentences.
Show me the "focus".

"You deny you've typed thousands of words here, in defense of Trump?
You deny you hate the thread and constantly ***** about being in it?"



The present is the past every microsecond in time.

If you are employed, do you say "I go to work every day" or do you say "I went to work every day"?
"Talk about him being your whole life! You go into tantrums when all of his failings are brought up, calling people names, threatening violence, telling them to off themselves, creating a multitude of lies as a defense, disregarding irrefutable facts as if they just disappear by sheer will, completely ignoring all evidence that proves you couldn't be more wrong."

This is stuff you have done, and continue to do with regularity. In fact, you did it in the post quoted here. That makes the paragraph grammatically correct.
Take a class in using our language properly.

Already did. Look at your post vs. Chueng's statement. Look at how you launch into a diatribe of invectives every time Trump's failings are pointed out or very time you are proved wrong (almost daily). Look at how you try to simply deny that Trump is nothing more than a piece of shit out to satisfy his own ego.

The playbook is far from fictional. There's no way all of you Trumpers act the same by coincidence. It's like you are puppets being pulled by common strings.


Prove what? The posts here are dated and timestamped. Chueng made his comment after the obese orange shitpile was seen stumbling around a golf course on March 3rd. WHEN was your post? AFTER March 3rd?
Interesting.

Interesting.
So he was powerless, incapable, deranged, yet also able to control events on a WORLD perspective.

And here we are with Trump screwing up relations with our allies, IMMEDIATELY failing on his promises to bring down the cost of living, IMMEDIATELY driving up unemployment, IMMEDIATELY driving inflation up again, IMMEDIATELY bending over for Putin, IMMEDIATLEY violating the COTUS and a ton of Federal Regulations and statutes, IMMEDIATLEY spending tens of MILLIONS of dollars to go golfing in just his first few weeks in office, IMMEDIATELY pushing us back towards recession.

Year, he's really making things great, huh?

Remember when the right was screaming about $3.00 for eggs?
They've been REAL quiet about $6.00 for eggs.
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Remember when the cost of energy was going to "drop" precipitously?
Gas is up 10% since he took office.

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Ahhh ****! Did I say another trigger word? Sorry guys!!
 
I don't see how the world is looking better. Turning our backs upon our allies and becoming overly aggressive towards them and the other democratic nations in order to befriend a murderous dictator is not a good development for anyone.
We are dumping Billions into a country to help fight a war only for that countries leader to come back and demand more money and reprimand us for not doing more. Did you see the video? Zelensky just sat there and talked about how his country was invaded during the Obama era and then again during the Biden era. He goes on about how we didn't do anything to prevent this and how we are not supporting him enough. What type of ungrateful crap is that. The US gave them more than double than all the other countries, combined, and he blames us? Trump called him out on it, and that's exactly what should have happened. On top of all that, Zelensky can't provide records for all the money that was given him. Billions of dollars have vanished.

And while it's true that Trump has not cut social security.....yet.....he's hacking away at an already overloaded agency. Employment at the SSA has decreased over the past decade while people receiving benefits has continued to increase. Communication and claims turnaround are already longer than they should be. Cutting a large number of employees is NOT going to fix that issue.
So, if nothing was done yet, then why with the scare tactics about what you believe will happen?

The programs that are being affected are programs that the SSA should not be funding, such as non-tax paying low income homes, such as illegal immigrants. He is not taking anything from the people who actually fund/funded the SSA.


And there's nothing to back up the claim that he's cutting away fraud.
There is information on the programs that were shut down. Look at one program and research that single program and everything those funds go to. Do you believe it is our responsibility to fund ***** programs in other countries? That's one of them. Google "Worst Programs Funded by USAID." Then go on a research what those programs are to make sure they are not lies.


If we give them money, they are more likely to give some back? That's not a good argument for cutting corporate tax rates.
Apple decided to bring back over a billion dollars in business to the US because of the tax cuts. This is what the tax cuts are for. Not necessarily for the current companies, but for entice other companies to come to America. A lot of our manufactures left the country because of the cost of doing business here. In order for us to full sustain ourselves, we need to bring some back and, at the very least, prevent more from leaving.
 
To reiterate: It's good when Musk censors what he chooses to censor, but it was bad when Twitter censored what they chose to censor.

Red, blue, green, purple. That smacks of hypocrisy no matter who it is.
To reiterate: if you can't see the difference between what the gov't did and the technocracy participated in vs what Musk is doing then you are clearly blinded by political affiliation. At least come up with conspiracy about how what Musk said he's doing is really smoke screen for him to ban Blue speech. Even though you have no evidence that Musk is pilfering the gov't coffers, at least you came up with some sort of half arse motive and explanation for it. Do better!
 
We are dumping Billions into a country to help fight a war only for that countries leader to come back and demand more money and reprimand us for not doing more. Did you see the video? Zelensky just sat there and talked about how his country was invaded during the Obama era and then again during the Biden era. He goes on about how we didn't do anything to prevent this and how we are not supporting him enough. What type of ungrateful crap is that. The US gave them more than double than all the other countries, combined, and he blames us? Trump called him out on it, and that's exactly what should have happened. On top of all that, Zelensky can't provide records for all the money that was given him. Billions of dollars have vanished.
I got the distinct impression that Zelensky is used to being treated like a superstar and when he showed up asking for money everybody told him "You're a hero for fighting Russia, he's another $X billion, do you need anything else?' IMHO Zelensky freaked out when Trump didn't go that route.
There is information on the programs that were shut down. Look at one program and research that single program and everything those funds go to. Do you believe it is our responsibility to fund ***** programs in other countries? That's one of them. Google "Worst Programs Funded by USAID." Then go on a research what those programs are to make sure they are not lies.

The thing is, I think many on Team Blue look at those programs and don't see anything wrong with it.
Apple decided to bring back over a billion dollars in business to the US because of the tax cuts. This is what the tax cuts are for. Not necessarily for the current companies, but for entice other companies to come to America. A lot of our manufactures left the country because of the cost of doing business here. In order for us to full sustain ourselves, we need to bring some back and, at the very least, prevent more from leaving.

Anything but bring jobs back to American shores. Instead of Verizon giving us a new iPhone every 2 years we may have wait 3 years. OMG!!!!
 
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Stoker,
Did you actually read what I wrote? I never said Biden offered it. I said IF Musk got the contract, it would have come from Biden because Biden is the one who asked his people to look into it. You started this topic by saying it was Trump and Musk who started looking into an armored vehicle contract with Tesla. Biden gave a budget of $400 million. It also states that in the article you sent.

I did do my research because I mentioned what you just said. I mentioned that Verizon was hired to update it, and I also mentioned it was going to take many years. Once the FAA learned about Starlink and how they could be 100% online within 18 months, the FAA decided pause the Verizon contract until they get a chance to see exactly if Starlink is a better route for them. This decision came before FAA employees were getting laid off.

False. The Biden administration gave a potential budget for $400 million. They only approved around $400,000. And that budget was certainly NOT earmarked for Tesla exclusively.

Also false. Musk is simply pushing these narratives with little to back them up. Kind of like how's he's claimed to be Ukraine's only solution for satellite service....which is also proving to be false as Eutelsat is working on launching new satellites right now....in the case that Moscow Musk decides to shut down services.
 
We are dumping Billions into a country to help fight a war only for that countries leader to come back and demand more money and reprimand us for not doing more. Did you see the video? Zelensky just sat there and talked about how his country was invaded during the Obama era and then again during the Biden era. He goes on about how we didn't do anything to prevent this and how we are not supporting him enough. What type of ungrateful crap is that. The US gave them more than double than all the other countries, combined, and he blames us? Trump called him out on it, and that's exactly what should have happened. On top of all that, Zelensky can't provide records for all the money that was given him. Billions of dollars have vanished.

Zelensky wanted to sign a peace deal. Not a surrender with zero guarantees that Russia won't immediately start attacking again. Trump and Vance showed the entire world what pieces of shit they were during that conference. Hell.....they actually allowed RUSSIAN PRESS into the conference FFS. How much more blatant do you need things to be? Trump is trying to sell out Ukraine and Zelensky is doing what's best for Ukraine.

So, if nothing was done yet, then why with the scare tactics about what you believe will happen?

The programs that are being affected are programs that the SSA should not be funding, such as non-tax paying low income homes, such as illegal immigrants. He is not taking anything from the people who actually fund/funded the SSA.

They CANNOT balance the NEW CUTS without slashing into thing like medicaid. They're already taking a hatchet to the SSA. Have you not seen the cuts to the service? And who knows what will happen with benefits. Trump's right hand stooge, Musk, has already been floating potential cuts. Calling them entitlements to help out his case, no doubt.


There is information on the programs that were shut down. Look at one program and research that single program and everything those funds go to. Do you believe it is our responsibility to fund ***** programs in other countries? That's one of them. Google "Worst Programs Funded by USAID." Then go on a research what those programs are to make sure they are not lies.

Yes, you've bought the lies that were sold to you. You probably go out to the DOGE website and see the ever growing "savings" tabulator (which is just set to grow by $4 billion everyday regardless of what happens) and don't care about the fact that documented "savings" are nowhere near the claims. lol....one of the biggest savings so far has been the $400 million cybertruck scam being caught. Whoops.

Apple decided to bring back over a billion dollars in business to the US because of the tax cuts. This is what the tax cuts are for. Not necessarily for the current companies, but for entice other companies to come to America. A lot of our manufactures left the country because of the cost of doing business here. In order for us to full sustain ourselves, we need to bring some back and, at the very least, prevent more from leaving.

Ah, so in order to entice a small number of companies to bring business to the United States, we'll just blow another gigantic hole into tax revenues with no way to make those funds back?

Terrible idea. Sorry to say, it's nothing more than a grift.....and will lead to long-term.....lasting damage.
 
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