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You can admire Russian patriotism all you want, that doesn't mean we're not enemies. Seriously you want me go over 100 years of history regarding why Russia is our enemy? I'm not trying to be insulting, but we've been pointing nuclear weapons at each other for the better part of the last century. Cuban missile crisis. Russia's relationship with Iran (maybe you don't think Iran is our enemy either?). Nato v USSR/Russia. Cold war. Russian involvement in Vietnam. Anywhere on the globe where America has enemies, you can count on Russia supporting them (and vice versa). Russia's support of the Bashar al-Assad regime. Russia's press secretary recently made our "enemy" status official. To flip this, can somebody please tell me how Russia isn't our enemy?

https://www.trtworld.com/us-and-canada/russia-formally-declares-the-us-as-enemy-what-next-18170984

And how is Ukraine not our ally - we're sending them military and financial aid to fight a war, by definition that makes us allies.

I know I mentioned this before. We shouldn't trust any country. Russia is not the only country to fight us, and they have never invaded us. within the past 100 years, the only country to invade the US is Japan.

There are dozens of countries, that we call "allies," that hate the US. I can't really think of a large country that really cares for the US. That's why we must keep all of them close.

Like I said about Russia and the US. There is some respect between the two of us. We are some of the biggest kids on the block and we both know not to piss off the other.
 
I won't vote for him. Setting aside political leanings, in essence, a vote for Biden is like casting a vote for unknown character/s who are behind the curtain.

I can't vote for Trump given that I don't think he respects our constitutional form of govt. Not that I think DNC respects our constitutional form of gov't either.
None of them fully respects our constitutional form. However, not voting for one is just plain flat wasting a vote. Then, if not voting at all, that person has no right to complain about the way things are run.

I remember you have mentioned you will not vote for Biden. As for me, I am not a "party" voter. I'll vote for whoever I believe will put this county on a better path.

Out of curiosity, what is it that makes you believe Trump does not respect our government?
 
None of them fully respects our constitutional form. However, not voting for one is just plain flat wasting a vote. Then, if not voting at all, that person has no right to complain about the way things are run.

I remember you have mentioned you will not vote for Biden. As for me, I am not a "party" voter. I'll vote for whoever I believe will put this county on a better path.

Out of curiosity, what is it that makes you believe Trump does not respect our government?
I haven't voted GOP or DNC since 2000. I've probably cast 2-3 votes for a D or R since 2000. I don't see much of a difference between the parties or the quality of the candidates. Sometimes you just don't know what you're going to get; ie I voted for medical marijuana in Colorado - I'd take that vote back if I could.
 
All I hear, from the left, is "If Trump gets elected, we will lose our democracy." Well, Newsom just got the courts to abolish the "Taxpayer's Protection Act (TPA)." The TPA is in place so that all taxes must be voted on by the California residence before it can be put into place. Now that Newsom got rid of it, this will allow him to implement any tax he wanted.

Imagine if he ever became president.
I don't support the TPA personally, but I sure as he!! don't want Newsom in charge of the country. As a matter of fact, I'd like to see him get the boot in Cali, so the Californias stop coming to Colorado and Californicating Colorado.
 

https://www.zerohedge.com/political...re-being-*****-murdered-bidens-illegal-aliens


 

I'm sure this isn't already happening:


 
You and I are probably on a DHS list; I'm not sure what they mean by "classified military service," but I had TS clearance. It'd be kinda ironic if I'm a DHS list considering I worked for DHS for a while.

Look up Rollo Tommasi (sp?) and Legion of Men on Youtube. They basically dispense male oriented dating/relationship advice and both have been tagged by DHS and had their Youtube traffic repressed.
 
It's not just the military or the US. Economically China is tapped in all over the globe. If China stopped shipping appliances tomorrow, kitchens across the world would slowly but surely lose the ability to prepare meals or do laundry, etc. But our politicians answer to the wealthy elite and damned be what's in the best interest of the peeps.
 
How is Ukraine not an ally? They perfectly fit the description of an ally. The budapest agreement, trilateral agreement, we just signed a 10 year bilateral security agreement. Just because you don't like that they are an ally, doesn't mean the Ukraine isn't an ally anymore than when some pink haired soy boy tells me he's girl that he ceases to be a "man." I have liberals telling me they can't define a women and men can breast feed and now neo-cons are claiming allies aren't allies and our enemies aren't our enemies???

You are right, past conflicts do not represent current relations. Can you name a single thing Russia does currently or has done in the past 7 years that makes them an ally? Almost everywhere on the globe where the US exerts political influence Russia attempts to foil us. Russia's relationship with Iran is troubling. Russia consistently aligns itself with US enemies. Russia interferes with our elections. Russia doesn't respect international borders. Russia attacked a country (Ukraine) that we had a security pact with (twice now).
Can you name a single thing anyone else has done to make them a US ally? Every alliance with USA is basically a promise that we won't annihilate them and we get nothing in return. We are the giving tree: taken advantage of by everyone because idiots think our wealth is limitless.

The only reason trump got elected was because Americans are sick of seeing our taxes sent to other countries.

I see your attempt at finding common ground by bringing up the ***** issue. ***** issue is overblown by matt walsh to gain popularity. I have never met a manly man who votes democrat or a "soy boy" who voted for trump.
 
Can you name a single thing anyone else has done to make them a US ally? Every alliance with USA is basically a promise that we won't annihilate them and we get nothing in return. We are the giving tree: taken advantage of by everyone because idiots think our wealth is limitless.

The only reason trump got elected was because Americans are sick of seeing our taxes sent to other countries.

I see your attempt at finding common ground by bringing up the ***** issue. ***** issue is overblown by matt walsh to gain popularity. I have never met a manly man who votes democrat or a "soy boy" who voted for trump.
NATO is far more than what you just described. Additionally, any alliance we enter into is going to one sided because we're clearly the more powerful party in the agreement (NATO excepted). Americans are blind to what we get in return for alliances, mainly that the globe, mainly our allies (and China) fund our insane deficit spending and prop up the value of the dollar. Any other country that is fiscally irresponsible as the US would see triple digit inflation. OTOH, we've been getting away with our fiscal irresponsibility for decades.

Kuwait for example, is very responsive to US oil needs. In 2003 Kuwait was a major ally in our war against Iraq. As I noted earlier, Ukraine sent 6k troops to Iraq. And lets not forget what Ukraine sacrificed in the trilateral agreement. The UAE is considered one of closer allies in the Gulf and assisted our other ally (Israel) when they came under attack by Iran in April - that's a pretty big ask IMHO. Jordan (another US ally) also came to Israel's aid. Bahrain is home to a massive naval base allowing us to project force into the Persian Gulf and keep oil flowing. I could go on and on and on, but the US leadership aren't a bunch of idiots entering into alliances willie nillie without getting something in return.
 


Sounds like an awful amount of warfare going on over there in that general sea-Yemen area.
 
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NATO is far more than what you just described. Additionally, any alliance we enter into is going to one sided because we're clearly the more powerful party in the agreement (NATO excepted). Americans are blind to what we get in return for alliances, mainly that the globe, mainly our allies (and China) fund our insane deficit spending and prop up the value of the dollar. Any other country that is fiscally irresponsible as the US would see triple digit inflation. OTOH, we've been getting away with our fiscal irresponsibility for decades.

Kuwait for example, is very responsive to US oil needs. In 2003 Kuwait was a major ally in our war against Iraq. As I noted earlier, Ukraine sent 6k troops to Iraq. And lets not forget what Ukraine sacrificed in the trilateral agreement. The UAE is considered one of closer allies in the Gulf and assisted our other ally (Israel) when they came under attack by Iran in April - that's a pretty big ask IMHO. Jordan (another US ally) also came to Israel's aid. Bahrain is home to a massive naval base allowing us to project force into the Persian Gulf and keep oil flowing. I could go on and on and on, but the US leadership aren't a bunch of idiots entering into alliances willie nillie without getting something in return.
Before Trump, USA was one of the few living up to the NATO terms. Let's focus on reality rather than theory.

"Americans are blind..." is the best you can do? Sooo you can't provide an example of what any USA ally did for us? Didn't you anticipate that question when you asked me what Russia did for USA? Fighting a common enemy does not constitute an alliance in the general sense of the term.

When Russia attacked Ukraine, USO (US Oil ETF) splurged. Before the attack, they did an 8:1 reverse split. Does that make Russia an ally?

You oddly specifically asked for benefits other nations have provided within the last seven years. Not sure why you focused on that timeframe, but you did. Your response was to cite something from 2003. Help me understand.
 
Before Trump, USA was one of the few living up to the NATO terms. Let's focus on reality rather than theory.

"Americans are blind..." is the best you can do? Sooo you can't provide an example of what any USA ally did for us? Didn't you anticipate that question when you asked me what Russia did for USA? Fighting a common enemy does not constitute an alliance in the general sense of the term.

When Russia attacked Ukraine, USO (US Oil ETF) splurged. Before the attack, they did an 8:1 reverse split. Does that make Russia an ally?

You oddly specifically asked for benefits other nations have provided within the last seven years. Not sure why you focused on that timeframe, but you did. Your response was to cite something from 2003. Help me understand.
I never said our NATO allies couldn't/shouldn't have been doing more, that doesn't mean they cease to be allies or that the relationship is purely one sided.

Dude, did you not read the list of examples of things allies have done for us? How about what Ukraine sacrificed in the Trilateral Agreement? That's about the biggest sacrifice a nation can make; so big and foolish that it's lead to multiple incursions by the Russians. What about Bahrain housing our naval base in the middle east, which leads to tons of political/terrorist strife for Bahrain? As I said in my last post (I guess you ignored that paragraph), I could go on and on and on about the benefits we receive from our allies. I guess the question is are you able to acknowledge that our relationships with our allies are indeed mutually beneficial?

I specifically asked in the last 7 years because that would cover the Trump presidency and you seem to be fond of his foreign policy. I'm citing 2003 in addition to any and all other time frames because you asked for one example; I have provided many examples. I could keep providing examples if you would like.

And I'm not sure what common enemy (or ally) your talking about, but yes, generally fighting a common enemy is what alliances are built on. It would be difficult to quantify, but I'd imagine military alliances are the most common of alliances; for example, how do we refer to the UK, US, Australia, France & Russia when speaking of WW2: THE ALLIES. If you're speaking about the Ukraine specifically, then I'll refer you to the Trilateral Agreement and the fact that Ukraine had no beef with Iraq prior Bush Jr dragging the world into that conflict. Here's list of allies that participated in Operation Iraqi Freedom; I seriously doubt New Zealand and Honduras were having issues with Iraq prior to our invasion.

 
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