Current events discussion

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

No. You need to prove your BELIEF that Trump didn't lie

So you make a statement and don't need to provide proof/facts to back it up...yet expect everyone to do exactly that...

Not hypocritical at all Rob...

Or is it you can't back up your party line talking point

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Precisely. I am NOT discussing feelings, beliefs, opinions, hopes, dreams here. I have avoided doing so from the beginning, and have stated as such a minimum of a dozen times. Maybe multiple dozens.

You completely missed the point.

Well. it IS a "Trump being Trump" thread. Shoudl I not be talking about Trump being Trump?
Or, are you thinking it's a thread to talk about your beliefs, feelings, opinions, hopes, dreams?
How exactly to any of those things affect what Trump has done, and what we can prove he has done?

Right, "Trump being Trump". Where does it say only facts are allowed to be discussed here. You are the one trying to control the conversation by only arguing what you call facts.

Seriously?! THAT is what you got from my analogy? Holy shi*t, I thought I had made it easy enough for you to understand. The big picture had NOTHING to do with whether Trump ***** or not. It had to do with not being able to prove what i believe belief, but being able to prove the accusations really occurred.
OK, FFS, I'll make it even simpler:
I would post my beliefs in the "Things I Believe" thread, not here.
I would post facts and provable evidence here, not in the "Things I Believe" thread.

No I got what you said. Apparently you missed my point again being you are willing to put that aside if it supports your narrative and you will go with your feelings.

I guess you didn't. See above.

It's like the lie that Trump said he grabbed a woman by the pu**y. A lie, but you will say it is true and a fact.

Edit: Before he loses it and starts demanding proof and calling Trump a ****** or something. Here is the section of the transcript in which he made the pu**y reference.

Trump:...And when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything."
Bush: "Whatever you want?"
Trump: "Grab them by the *****. You can do anything."

He is saying that when you are a star, women will let you do anything including grabbing them by that whoohaaa. He didn't say he did it, he just said you could. He is around celebrities and stars all the time and could very well have seen someone do that very thing. But he NEVER said HE grabbed em' by the pu**y.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

You completely missed the point.

Right, "Trump being Trump". Where does it say only facts are allowed to be discussed here. You are the one trying to control the conversation by only arguing what you call facts.

So, you want to argue beliefs that are not based on fact?
What exactly is the point or the benefit? Argue all day long that you believe a god exists. Where can the argument ever go without proof?

No I got what you said. Apparently you missed my point again being you are willing to put that aside if it supports your narrative and you will go with your feelings.

It's like the lie that Trump said he grabbed a woman by the pu**y. A lie, but you will say it is true and a fact.

That's not people say. People quote the words that HE said. here they are: "You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful—I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab 'em by the *****. You can do anything."

Seems like you want to defend him so bad, you will change the story to make him innocent.
He said the words above. There is no denying it.
Did he actually do it? Well, if he is declaring that they let him do anything, then a crotch grab is possible, no? he'd have to be speaking from experience to say such a thing, no?
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But of course, he could have been lying about women letting him do anything. So then when he says "I just start kissing them", he's admitting to making unasked-for physical contact with women.

Edit: Before he loses it and starts demanding proof and calling Trump a ****** or something. Here is the section of the transcript in which he made the pu**y reference.

Trump:...And when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything."
Bush: "Whatever you want?"
Trump: "Grab them by the *****. You can do anything."

He is saying that when you are a star, women will let you do anything including grabbing them by that whoohaaa. He didn't say he did it, he just said you could. He is around celebrities and stars all the time and could very well have seen someone do that very thing. But he NEVER said HE grabbed em' by the pu**y.

No one said he did. They quoted the sh*t out of him saying what he did and expressing personal knowledge of what COULD be done by HIM.
So, if he never did it, he was lying in saying they'd let him do it, b/c he didn't really know.

But the big picture is arguing beliefs versus facts.
What benefit do you get arguing beliefs that you have no way of proving?

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

So you make a statement and don't need to provide proof/facts to back it up...yet expect everyone to do exactly that...

Not hypocritical at all Rob...

Or is it you can't back up your party line talking point

Quotes of Trump's lies are a "party line"?
With over 30,000 of them, it seems like lies are HIS "arty line".

I'm STILL waiting for you to prove just ONE of them is not a lie.
Any EASY one, like the "greatest economy in the history of the world".

Go ahead and show how this claim is true. Use economic indicators like GDP growth, Unemployment, annual median household income, the stock market, trade deficit, manufacturing, tax cuts.
Show us the numbers that are the "best in the history of the world".

Too tough? Pick one of your own that you think you CAN show is not a lie.
Do as the moderator has asked. Argue with evidence.
Stop trolling.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Quotes of Trump's lies are a "party line"?

Then start listing the evidence for each of the 31k lies you claim...

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

So, you want to argue beliefs that are not based on fact?
What exactly is the point or the benefit? Argue all day long that you believe a god exists. Where can the argument ever go without proof?

Jesus Christ... who said everyone talking in here wants to argue? YOU are the only one who wants/needs to argue anything.

That's not people say. People quote the words that HE said. here they are: "You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful—I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab 'em by the *****. You can do anything."

Seems like you want to defend him so bad, you will change the story to make him innocent.
He said the words above. There is no denying it.
Did he actually do it? Well, if he is declaring that they let him do anything, then a crotch grab is possible, no? he'd have to be speaking from experience to say such a thing, no?

He said "when you are a star they let you do anything"

Where did he declare "I grab them by their *******"? He gave an example of what a star can do. So tell me what story I changed. It's hypocritical of you to just assume he is grabbing women that way when factually what he said is "And when you are a star, they let you do it". You're a hypocrite with facts if it supports your feelings.

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But of course, he could have been lying about women letting him do anything. So then when he says "I just start kissing them", he's admitting to making unasked-for physical contact with women.

And that is fine, if they are letting him do it.

No one said he did. They quoted the sh*t out of him saying what he did and expressing personal knowledge of what COULD be done by HIM.

By a STAR. Get the facts right Rob.

So, if he never did it, he was lying in saying they'd let him do it, b/c he didn't really know.

Again, he could also be speaking of other people he knows, stars, celebs and so on. YOU DON'T KNOW.

But the big picture is arguing beliefs versus facts.
What benefit do you get arguing beliefs that you have no way of proving?

Who's arguing besides you? What do you get by arguing other peoples opinions and pawning them off as facts?

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Quotes of Trump's lies are a "party line"?
With over 30,000 of them, it seems like lies are HIS "arty line".

I'm STILL waiting for you to prove just ONE of them is not a lie.
Any EASY one, like the "greatest economy in the history of the world".

Go ahead and show how this claim is true. Use economic indicators like GDP growth, Unemployment, annual median household income, the stock market, trade deficit, manufacturing, tax cuts.
Show us the numbers that are the "best in the history of the world".

Too tough? Pick one of your own that you think you CAN show is not a lie.
Do as the moderator has asked. Argue with evidence.
Stop trolling.

Ok Rob, you need to stop. "Greatest economy in the history of the world" Is that a metric that is kept or is that Trump stating his feelings about the US Economy... you know, like when I say "The United States of America, THE greatest country in the world". It is MY opinion, my belief... you going to claim that if I don't somehow prove that to you that I am lying? Hmmm?

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Ok Rob, you need to stop. "Greatest economy in the history of the world" Is that a metric that is kept or is that Trump stating his feelings about the US Economy... you know, like when I say "The United States of America, THE greatest country in the world". It is MY opinion, my belief... you going to claim that if I don't somehow prove that to you that I am lying? Hmmm?

Even Trump's opinion statements are considered lies...

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Jesus Christ... who said everyone talking in here wants to argue? YOU are the only one who wants/needs to argue anything.

And yet every time l post a fact that shows even more that Trump is garbage, you leap right in to argue that it is somehow "fake news".

He said "when you are a star they let you do anything"

Correct. An expression that he has direct personal knowledge.

Where did he declare "I grab them by their *******"? He gave an example of what a star can do. So tell me what story I changed. It's hypocritical of you to just assume he is grabbing women that way when factually what he said is "And when you are a star, they let you do it". You're a hypocrite with facts if it supports your feelings.

You're defending him for something that no one accused him of. HE is the one who made the statement about grabbing p*ssy, not anyone else.
Ever hear the expression "me thinks he doth protest too much"?

And that is fine, if they are letting him do it.

"Letting him do it". He said he just DOES it. That's like saying you "let" someone walk up to you and sucker-punch you.

By a STAR. Get the facts right Rob.
Again, he could also be speaking of other people he knows, stars, celebs and so on. YOU DON'T KNOW.

He was bragging about himself and what he has done and can do. Unless you think he was playing an acting role and pretending to be someone else who did this stuff?
Maybe he thought it was an audition for a sitcom?
Trump: "I moved on her actually. You know she was down on Palm Beach. I moved on her, and I failed. I'll admit it. I did try and **** her, she was married."
Unknown: "That's huge news there."
Trump: "No, no, Nancy. No this was [inaudible] and I moved on her very heavily in fact I took her out furniture shopping. She wanted to get some furniture. I said I'll show you where they have some nice furniture. I moved on her like a *****. I couldn't get there and she was married. Then all-of-a-sudden I see her, she's now got the big phony tits and everything. She's totally changed her look."
Trump: "Yeah that's her with the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful... I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything."

Who's arguing besides you? What do you get by arguing other peoples opinions and pawning them off as facts?

YOU are. EVERY single time I post another fact that paints Trump in a bad light, you argue that it is not accurate.
just like you are arguing that he didn't talk about HIMSELF grabbing p8ssy, but was having a conversation where he was telling Billy Bush what OTHER people do.
Becasue, you know, Trump spends so much time bragging about OTHER people's successes...

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Ok Rob, you need to stop. "Greatest economy in the history of the world" Is that a metric that is kept or is that Trump stating his feelings about the US Economy... you know, like when I say "The United States of America, THE greatest country in the world". It is MY opinion, my belief... you going to claim that if I don't somehow prove that to you that I am lying? Hmmm?

It is a VERY measurable statement, just like being able to describe a boxer as the most accomplished, a football team as the winningest, a super genius as the most intelligent, a person as the wealthiest, a stock as the fastest growing, etc.

The US economy is not some intangible thing like "the greatest COUNTRY", "the greatest athlete", "the most emotive singer", "the best tasting pizza". It is made up of a number of metrics that you can measure and prove over time.
And those metrics prove that we did not have the greatest economy in the history of the world during the Trump administration.

Even Trump's opinion statements are considered lies...

As POTUS and the self-proclaimed smartest and best at pretty much everything, a statement about the US economy is not and should not be "opinion".

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

It is a VERY measurable statement

It's an opinion statement but that doesn't fit your party line...

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

It's an opinion statement but that doesn't fit your party line...

Even Trump's opinion statements are considered lies...

As POTUS and the self-proclaimed smartest and best at pretty much everything, a statement about the US economy is not and should not be "opinion".

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

As POTUS and the self-proclaimed smartest and best at pretty much everything, a statement about the US economy is not and should not be "opinion".

Biden says the economy is great...inflation proves otherwise...is biden lying?

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Biden says the economy is great...inflation proves otherwise...is biden lying?

Let's see the quote you are referring to.
And let's see where inflation is the only metric an economy is judged by.