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[RobGMN Premium Member]

Urban Dictionary: The Left can't Meme

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[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Let's just all concede that it's Robbo that can't meme

 

[Old_Slapper]

This reads like you're asking me to agree with your opinions and beliefs when they have zero basis in fact. Sorry chief, no can do.

I "portray myself as an educated person"? What does that mean? I went to school and I admit that. I read a lot and I admit that. I retain a lot and I admit that. I eschew beliefs and personal opinion when arguing matters of politics, science, data and statistics.
Beliefs and opinions should be argued about your favorite team, your favorite restaurant, your favorite color.
They have no place in science, politics, statistics.

What facts have you shown me that I have "spun off" of?

OK. I asked Spokey this (and expectedly got no response), so I'll ask you: If you KNOW what Trump did NOT mean with his words, please explain what he DID mean with his words. Refer to all the quotes from his speech.
Describe in detail what he meant. Explain why he would be telling people to "fight like hell" if there was NOTHING they could legally do to change the vote.
WHAT exactly was he exhorting them to do with all those words about stopping the election of Biden?

How does fighting in the streets result in stopping the electoral process or attempting a coup?
You do know that the events of Jan 6th happened in the Capitol building on the day Biden was to be officially voted in, and the insurrection was an attempt to stop the process, yes?
"Punch Trump in the face"? You realize that Trump and his sycophants wanted to hang Mike Pence because he didn't agree with stopping the electoral vote, yes?

You seem to be angry with rioters in general. Do you feel they should be punished if caught?
If so, how do you feel about Trump's promise to free the Jan 6th insurrectionists if he gets elected?
Good deal, or bad?


What do you mean "allow" an investigation? As POTUS and self-proclaimed multi-billionaire, Trump could investigate anything he wanted. If you're suggesting he is so powerless that he couldn't (as POTUS) get anything he wanted investigated, then is he really a guy you want as POTUS?
We keep hearing how Biden is the dark underlord of the country and is doing all KINDS of wild stuff. But Trump can't even get an investigation rolling? He sounds pathetic.

I think that was horrible on many levels. Just as I thought it was horrible when Reagan was shot, when Brady was shot, when the Kennedys were shot, and so on.
It's a perfect example of people who turn to violence or other actions instead of using their brain. You've seen examples of it on this forum. It pisses me off b/c it demonstrates the horrible state of our helthcare system and how people with mental illness are handled.
It pisses me off because anti-gun nuts immediately grab onto it as a way to say guns are bad, while ignoring the fact that no gun has ever taken action on its own and killed someone.
It pisses me off because the whole situation ends up not being at all about the injured or killed, but just another tool for people to get their way by molding people's opinions through their heartstrings.
It's just sh*t all around.

I never denied any of them happened, and I have said this multiple times. If you think I have, you are thinking of the wrong guy. And I'll ask this: As a brand new member with very few posts, how would you claim to know my opinion on a topic that hasn't really been discussed during your tenure here?
Are you someone who got booted and made a comeback, or a dupe account for someone else here?

Regardless, I don't see where any of the riots were an attempt to interrupt the electoral vote for a president to get into office, on the DAY of the electoral vote.
Which protest are you talking about where they tried to prevent the completion of an election process?
I assume you would be talking about it happening to a Republican nominee. Was it Trump, or Bush "2", Bush "1", Reagan, or going back even further?
Which protest was an attempt at a coup?

I looked it up and they list all of the places of worship that were vandalized, even detailing the type of vandalism. They do mention that at one place, someone set the book of Mormon on fire. There is nothing about a house of worship being set on fire, or burned down. That would be a pretty big deal that you'd expect to be listed along with the other details, but the only thing I can find regarding Mormon anything being burned is a ton of news on that book being set ablaze on the steps of a church.
So, I can't say it never happened, but there seems to be no info to support the claim. And that would be quite unusual, given the amount of press it all got.

Yes. I read that. And while I don't support the way people fought for their rights, it is the perfect example of why the state shouldn't be involved in matters of religion and morality.
Why do religious people think that everyone must follow THEIR religious beliefs, and that laws should result from their belief of an imaginary bearded man in the sky?
Would you be OK if the tables were turned and your state instituted a law that you wife and daughter must wear a burka because a religion demands it?
Would you be OK if the state made it illegal for you to eat pork because a religion forbids it?
Would you be Ok if the state made it illegal for you to even PRACTICE a religion because the STATE forbade it?
I would be interested in genuine answers to these questions, and may even include the "why" to you answer.

This is all stuff you have to think of in the big picture of our country. Your religion is not EVERYONE'S religion, and your religion should not be a basis of law that applies to everyone.
Heck, the First Amendment even says it: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion."
"Known as the establishment clause, the opening lines of the First Amendment prohibit the government from creating an official religion or favoring one religion (or nonreligion) over another."
If you create a law based on a rule of Catholicism (Thou shall not commit adultery), then you are favoring a religion over a religion (or non-religion) that may have no such rule, such as the Mormons.

How ironic is it that the Mormons are OK with polygmay, but not polyandry, or same-*** marriage?

So you admit to saying you read a lot of facts and retain that info, but you don't show it in your arguments. I'm not going to keep pushing the current arguments, because it is quite clear that you don't care about the big picture of what is being said. You only care about the small picture that supports your claim or allows you to put a spin on it.

Examples,

• Mormons don't believe in polygamy. You will be excommunicated for engaging in this act. That is common knowledge.
• There is more proof that supports a high being (a God) than proof that doesn't support it.
• Governments are no allowed to push their religion on the citizens.
• Trump did say he would release they and I think they should have a real trial first.
• How many violent BLM activists did the democrats release right after getting arrested? Remember, I work for the government, and I have seen this request personally. What are your thoughts on that?
• A president can order an investigation. However, the FBI and/or Judicial Branch can override that order, which is what happened. There was already proof that the FBI was leaning left, so you can't deny that.
• You totally pushed aside the democrats pushing for violent protests and continued to talk about what Trump said, about fighting, and why he was pushing for people to fight? I already answered that. Apparently, you didn't know that a President cannot force an investigation.
• If the J6 protest was so horrifying, then how was the House of Reps able to continue their meeting later that same night as the riot, and in the same building? I'm not saying the riot was good, so don't go there. I'm just pointing out how over dramatic the left is getting on this. I understand it's the only hope, the dems have, of getting Trump, but if you research ALL the evidence, you will see there's nothing there.
• I don't believe you commented on the democrat shooting a GOP lawmaker.
• Why were the democrats against adding security for the Supreme Court Justices after their addresses were released and protesters showed up? What's funny is, only some of the judges who voted to overturn the Roe vs Wade had their addresses released. Why didn't the FBI push to find out who did release that info?

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Let's just all concede that it's Robbo that can't meme

Robbo DOESN'T meme.
If you think creating memes full of false info is some kind of achievement, it may explain a lot of other things about you.
Simple minded, much?
In case you need an example of the bullsh*t you suckers actually will believe:

"FBI approved safe"? An active bathroom at a country club is "An FBI approved safe"?
Wow.
By the way, when exactly did the documents get declassified in order to go to his "presidential library" that doesn't exist?
How fast did he return them when they demanded the classified documents be returned?
Was it not Trump who said and did this:
“I don’t want anybody looking, I don’t want anybody looking through my boxes, I really don’t,” Trump told his lawyer in May 2022, according to the indictment. “What happens if we just don’t respond at all or don’t play ball with them? Wouldn’t it be better if we just told them we don’t have anything here?”
Trump's lawyer said Trump later made a "plucking motion" to suggest that he should take anything that was "really bad" out.

But I suppose we should forget all that and just thank him for giving us the best economy ever in the history of the world, and simply being an "outlier" when there was a surge of immigration under his watch.
Yeah, you f*kers are so brainwashed, there is probably no return to sanity for you.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

"FBI approved safe"? An active bathroom at a country club is

Unless you can prove it was a bathroom open to the public and not in his private residence...stop with spin...

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

So you admit to saying you read a lot of facts and retain that info, but you don't show it in your arguments. I'm not going to keep pushing the current arguments, because it is quite clear that you don't care about the big picture of what is being said. You only care about the small picture that supports your claim or allows you to put a spin on it.

Examples,

• Mormons don't believe in polygamy. You will be excommunicated for engaging in this act. That is common knowledge.

Do the Mormon fundamentalists and the Strangites not still practice it?

• There is more proof that supports a high being (a God) than proof that doesn't support it.

I find the argument fascinating. What scientific proof exists that says there is a singular higher being, and of the many singular higher beings that people look to, which one is the "correct" one?
I know some people think the Holy Trinity is the right one. Others think Buddah is. Others think their god is an alien (Xenu) from another planet who brought life to earth, then destroyed it, and started over.
Which one has it right?

• Governments are no allowed to push their religion on the citizens.

Correct. So if a government makes a law derived from a religious belief, they are pushing that religion on their citizens. I would not be happy with a law that said I was not allowed to eat bacon b/c god would be mad at me.

• Trump did say he would release they and I think they should have a real trial first.

No, he actually refused to. That is why there was a subsequent FBI raid. His words went something like this:
“I don’t want anybody looking, I don’t want anybody looking through my boxes, I really don’t,” Trump told his lawyer in May 2022, according to the indictment. “What happens if we just don’t respond at all or don’t play ball with them? Wouldn’t it be better if we just told them we don’t have anything here?”

• How many violent BLM activists did the democrats release right after getting arrested? Remember, I work for the government, and I have seen this request personally. What are your thoughts on that?

That has no relevance to an insurrection at the capitol building in a coup attempt. You're using the 3rd grade strategy of a strawman. Billy gets caught kicking Cindy, so he narcs on Steve for stealing gum.
Irrelevant.

• A president can order an investigation. However, the FBI and/or Judicial Branch can override that order, which is what happened. There was already proof that the FBI was leaning left, so you can't deny that.

The most powerful man in the country, and self-proclaimed billionaire can't get something investigated?
Yet we are supposed to believe that Biden is the dark underlord who can make people vanish with a wave of his hand, and beleive that Trump is an effective world leader?
Pretty inconsistent logic there. It seems the story changes to fit each new situation.

• You totally pushed aside the democrats pushig for violent protests and continued to talk about what Trump said, about fighting, and why he was pushing for people to fight? I already answered that. Apparently, you didn't know that a President cannot force an investigation.

I asked several times for proof of an attempt by Democrats to overthrow the gov't by preventing the completion of a legitimate election process. Can you name a specific Democrat who pushed for it? Can you name a specific protest that was an attempt to stop the election process?
The strawman that "since Democrats rioted, it's OK for Republicans to attempt a coup" simply doesn't fly for me.

• If the J6 protest was so horrifying, then how was the House of Reps able to continue their meeting later that same night as the riot, and in the same building? I'm not saying the riot was good, so don't go there. I'm just pointing out how over dramatic the left is getting on this. I understand it's the only hope, the dems have, of getting Trump, but if you research ALL the evidence, you will see there's nothing there.

Probably for the same reason that on 9/11, tens of thousands of US business continued to operate, and who knows how many on Manhatan island itself. You would think 9/11 would have been horrible enough to brink the entire island to a grinding halt that day. Nope.
If you think the Jan 6th insurrection was no big deal, then you really have a problem. I suppose you thought the first attempt on the towers was no big deal since they failed and only blew up some cars?
Minimizing a coup attempt on the US government? Wow.

• I don't believe you commented on the democrat shooting a GOP lawmaker.

Did you miss my response to the it? Go back and look at the post again.
If you mean in the history of the site, maybe? Not sure how you'd know so much history as a brand new member here, though.

• Why were the democrats against adding security for the Supreme Court Justices after their addresses were released and protesters showed up? What's funny is, only some of the judges who voted to overturn the Roe vs Wade had their addresses released. Why didn't the FBI push to find out who did release that info?

Well, they opposed adding it for family members of the justices, not the justices themselves.
But here are some of the reasons stated:
"Grijalva told The Hill that he voted against the bill in-part to make a statement regarding the fact that it did not include protections for federal court systems. He noted, however, that protections for the Supreme Court are “absolutely” necessary."
Ocasio-Cortez told reporters that she voted against the bill as a call to action for gun and abortion legislation.
“I think it’s ridiculous that we have the political will and capacity to pass protections for ourselves so quickly, but for some reason when it comes to kids, people in grocery stores, anybody in a public place, that we somehow can’t get gun safety or we can’t even pass federal protections, to Veronica Escobar’s point, we can’t pass expanded security protections for federal workers who are providing health care and abortion care as well,”

You seem to want it to be that the Democrats were doing this to hurt Republican judges. Did you know that the SCOTUS, though it's SUPPOSED to be non-partisan, is composed of right AND left-leaning judges? So you think maybe the Democrats were trying to sacrifice their own in order to hurt the right-leaning justices?

Now, here is an interesting thing you may have missed in that whole situation:
House Democrats wanted to expand the Senate-passed bill — offering protections to Supreme Court staff if the court marshal determined it was needed — but Republicans in the upper chamber objected to such a move.
Why would Republicans be against providing protection when a marshall of the court specifically and situationally determines it is needed?

Unless you can prove it was a bathroom open to the public and not in his private residence...stop with spin...

"Stop with the spin"? OK spinster, please show me that this is an "FBI approved safe" and point out what int he picture proves it is not a public bathroom. What proves that it is his "private ballroom"?
I'll wait:

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Do the Mormon fundamentalists and the Strangites not still practice it?

They aren't recognized by the church or the prophet...

But by that logic since there's a small ********* movement on the left...the DNC is pro pedo right...

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

This reads like you're asking me to agree with your opinions and beliefs when they have zero basis in fact. Sorry chief, no can do.

I "portray myself as an educated person"? What does that mean? I went to school and I admit that. I read a lot and I admit that. I retain a lot and I admit that. I eschew beliefs and personal opinion when arguing matters of politics, science, data and statistics.
Beliefs and opinions should be argued about your favorite team, your favorite restaurant, your favorite color.
They have no place in science, politics, statistics.

So explain to all of us uneducated "Trump supporters" how one first arrives at a scientific fact. One that has never existed but then comes to be a scientific fact. No thoughts, no feelings, no beliefs are used to form an idea that can then be proved or disproved? They just exist? They are just there suddenly for you to argue about? You are dumb, uneducated and ignorant. You will literally cut out 75% of relevant conversation and context just argue what you think you can prove or rather what others have already proven and you just repeat what they say, often with no comprehension, to try and come off as intelligent. YOU are stupid.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

That's like Thxone claiming bone innervation is only an unproved "theory", and that a word-for-word copy of his post is not a quote, but an interpretation.

You're ignorant. You told me not to say it is a theory so FY, I said it is a theory. It is not what I claim or think. You just don't get to tell me what to say.

A word for word copy would be a quote. What you do and claim to be a quote is not. Read what you said dummy, word for word... that means every and all words as I wrote them.

 

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[RobGMN Premium Member]

They aren't recognized by the church or the prophet...

But by that logic since there's a small ********* movement on the left...the DNC is pro pedo right...

Oh. So that means they are not Mormons any more? OK.
What are they, then? They seem to think they ARE Mormons.
Regardless, people are practicing polygamy here and around the globe due to personal and/or religious beliefs.

So explain to all of us uneducated "Trump supporters" how one first arrives at a scientific fact. One that has never existed but then comes to be a scientific fact. No thoughts, no feelings, no beliefs are used to form an idea that can then be proved or disproved? They just exist? They are just there suddenly for you to argue about? You are dumb, uneducated and ignorant. You will literally cut out 75% of relevant conversation and context just argue what you think you can prove or rather what others have already proven and you just repeat what they say, often with no comprehension, to try and come off as intelligent. YOU are stupid.

For someone who claims to be an expert because he got a degree, you don't seem to know much.
It's called (brace yourself) "The Scientific Method". Here's a synopsis:
"a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses."

Show me any proved scientific hypotheses that reached a conclusion based on beliefs without evidence, fact, empirical testing, etc, to back up the beliefs. For example, a belief in Yeti (Bigfoot, Sasquatch, et al). Or maybe a belief in fission (fusion?) in a bottle. Maybe a belief in perpetual motion.
Or pick one of your own beliefs. Prove it without evidence. I'm game to read the results.

You're ignorant. You told me not to say it is a theory so FY, I said it is a theory. It is not what I claim or think. You just don't get to tell me what to say.

So you were lying when you claimed bone innervation was just a theory?
Fair enough. I take it you now believe it's proved and not just a theory.

A word for word copy would be a quote. What you do and claim to be a quote is not. Read what you said dummy, word for word... that means every and all words as I wrote them.

Answer me honestly if you can: Do you think it makes sense to argue beliefs or to argue facts?
Can you PROVE your belief that beef tastes better than chicken? Can you PROVE your belief that Trump didn't have classified docs at Mara Lago? Can you PROVE your belief that Biden is a *********?
Arguing beliefs is a fool's folly, yet you insist on doing it here, over and over again.

Here is a word-for-word copy of something you posted. A QUOTE: "A word for word copy would be a..."
You have accused me of altering your words before, and have NEVER been able to provide an example. If you can't prove it, then your claim is bullsh*t, also known as a lie.
Walk the walk, child. If you can't prove what you say, then don't bother to say it. You just end up looking like a fool.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

• There is more proof that supports a high being (a God) than proof that doesn't support it.

This times a million

I find the argument fascinating. What scientific proof exists that says there is a singular higher being, and of the many singular higher beings that people look to, which one is the "correct" one?
I know some people think the Holy Trinity is the right one. Others think Buddah is. Others think their god is an alien (Xenu) from another planet who brought life to earth, then destroyed it, and started over.
Which one has it right?

When you die, and you find in yourself in a situation that's as real as being in a human body on Earth, but you're in another level of the universe, you will understand. All the ancients talked about it. And they talked about it A LOT. ALL OVER THE WORLD SINCE THE BEGINNING OF HUMAN RECORDINGS OF ANY CIVILIZATIONS, they talked about the same concepts and gods and what not over and over and over. So many similarities across so many different regions of Earth, separated by great distances and terrain. There's only ancient stone temples literally all over ******* Earth. You might want to figure out WHY.

The code of morality is based on the natural coding of physics in the universe, which exists or expresses itself almost exclusively outside of our reality. That's why people study the wisdom of the ancients is to understand this code, as all actions have consequences. You are an electronic being inside of an organic machine that connects you to this dimension you experience while awake. When that dies and you separate from here, you will learn the consequences of not searching for God very well, but then you may forget again depending on where you wind up incarnated to after, such as back on Earth, which isn't where you want to stay. If you want to ruin your soul's own coding, then whatever, sucks for you.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Oh. So that means they are not Mormons any more? OK.
What are they, then? They seem to think they ARE Mormons.
Regardless, people are practicing polygamy here and around the globe due to personal and/or religious beliefs.


For someone who claims to be an expert because he got a degree, you don't seem to know much.
It's called (brace yourself) "The Scientific Method". Here's a synopsis:
"a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses."

Show me any proved scientific hypotheses that reached a conclusion based on beliefs without evidence, fact, empirical testing, etc, to back up the beliefs. For example, a belief in Yeti (Bigfoot, Sasquatch, et al). Or maybe a belief in fission (fusion?) in a bottle. Maybe a belief in perpetual motion.
Or pick one of your own beliefs. Prove it without evidence. I'm game to read the results.

So you were lying when you claimed bone innervation was just a theory?
Fair enough. I take it you now believe it's proved and not just a theory.

Answer me honestly if you can: Do you think it makes sense to argue beliefs or to argue facts?
Can you PROVE your belief that beef tastes better than chicken? Can you PROVE your belief that Trump didn't have classified docs at Mara Lago? Can you PROVE your belief that Biden is a *********?
Arguing beliefs is a fool's folly, yet you insist on doing it here, over and over again.

Here is a word-for-word copy of something you posted. A QUOTE: "A word for word copy would be a..."
You have accused me of altering your words before, and have NEVER been able to provide an example. If you can't prove it, then your claim is bullsh*t, also known as a lie.
Walk the walk, child. If you can't prove what you say, then don't bother to say it. You just end up looking like a fool.

Here ya go. I can prove nothing YOU CLAIM anyone believes. Your responses above prove you know nothing other than how to copy and paste. You are an ignorant troll. Most, if not all of your responses are literally to be an ******* to the person you are responding to. You deserve nothing less than that exact same in return.