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[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Another man dominating in women's sports.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news...nge-*****-agenda-after-male-wins-womens-race/

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Jordan Peterson interviews de-transitioner Chloe Cole. This is the short version. There is a 2 hour version for those that are interested.

 

[Old_Slapper]

So there was no precedent, no state law in place, no local regulations.
You had to vote to figure out what to do.
And you did.

There was a law and local regulations. Most people voted the same, but at the end, it didn't matter. The law and regulations is, you're innocent until proven guilty. Nobody wanted to let the guy stay in his position and everyone hated this guy. He was arrogant, a major liar, and highly unethical. But the law is the law. There is no argument against that. Even if I was the only one voting, for him to keep his position, he still would have kept it.

The biggest thing that makes this law so important to obey is, if you do it to one, you have to allow it to be done to the other. If we allowed the removal of a Presidential candidate because of accusations, then all political parties will use this as a weapon to remove their opponents. Really, how hard is it to come up with accusations? The year of the elections, dozens of women will come out and claim a candidate sexually assaulted them.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Gravity is a *****, huh?
Even in outer space you are falling, just at the same speed as everything else.

"Floating" is just a sensory illusion

He baited you into another of his "language traps." It's not even a debate about politics or even facts anymore. Just an exercise on dissecting the language.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

He baited you into another of his "language traps." It's not even a debate about politics or even facts anymore. Just an exercise on dissecting the language.

Which would be fine, except he doesn't understand the language well enough yo play the game.

He just makes shit up and demands that it he accepted as truth.
Lame way to argue and it only makes him look less educated and more childlike in his thinking.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

There was a law and local regulations. Most people voted the same, but at the end, it didn't matter. The law and regulations is, you're innocent until proven guilty. Nobody wanted to let the guy stay in his position and everyone hated this guy. He was arrogant, a major liar, and highly unethical. But the law is the law. There is no argument against that. Even if I was the only one voting, for him to keep his position, he still would have kept it.

The biggest thing that makes this law so important to obey is, if you do it to one, you have to allow it to be done to the other. If we allowed the removal of a Presidential candidate because of accusations, then all political parties will use this as a weapon to remove their opponents. Really, how hard is it to come up with accusations? The year of the elections, dozens of women will come out and claim a candidate sexually assaulted them.

I agree. In fhe case of the 14th, that was written specifically to keep "confederates" out of office. I guess the 9-0 vote makes it clear we need to convict somebody of insurrection prior to applying the 14th.

The Dems have been witch hunting and now the one case that I see as legit is in jeopardy because of witch hunting and Fani Willis's impropriety.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

There was a law and local regulations. Most people voted the same, but at the end, it didn't matter. The law and regulations is, you're innocent until proven guilty. Nobody wanted to let the guy stay in his position and everyone hated this guy. He was arrogant, a major liar, and highly unethical. But the law is the law. There is no argument against that. Even if I was the only one voting, for him to keep his position, he still would have kept it.

The biggest thing that makes this law so important to obey is, if you do it to one, you have to allow it to be done to the other. If we allowed the removal of a Presidential candidate because of accusations, then all political parties will use this as a weapon to remove their opponents. Really, how hard is it to come up with accusations? The year of the elections, dozens of women will come out and claim a candidate sexually assaulted them.

Here's an interesting hypothetical: Let,s say your employer can terminate you for breaking the law by smoking weed (isn't it funny how poor an example that has suddenly become?Maybe speeding or public intoxication is better).

Anyway, you get caught on video smoking weed and your employer sees it, but don't get busted by the cops.

Can they fire you?
Can you employer declare you've broken the law and fire you if you're not busted and convicted?

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Which would be fine, except he doesn't understand the language well enough yo play the game.

He just makes shit up and demands that it he accepted as truth.
Lane way to argue and it only makes him look less educated and more childlike in his thinking.

But now he has you debating whether orbiting the earth is floating or perpetual free fall, and I'd have to say you're both correct. Ultimately, I just can’t see any value in the conversation.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

But now he has you debating whether orbiting the earth is floating or perpetual free fall, and I'd have to say you're both correct. Ultimately, I just can’t see any value in the conversation.

Yeah, it was part of the bigger discussion, but an easy way for him to sidetrack and avoid admitting he's wrong, like he usually does.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Here's an interesting hypothetical: Let,s say your employer can terminate you for breaking the law by smoking weed (isn't it funny how poor an example that has suddenly become?).

You get caught on video smoking weed and your employer sees it, but don't get busted by the cops.

Can they fire you?
Can they declare you've broken the law if you're not busted and convicted?

Depends. In Colorado they certainly can fire you without cause. OTOH, the fired employee could sue for wrongful termination.

In the case of POTUS, do we really want a court case for ever politician who has bitched about an election outcome? I think SCOTUS got this one right. I think they're also sending a message that SCOTUS doesn't want to be involved in elections.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Depends. In Colorado they certainly can fire you without cause. OTOH, the fired employee could sue for wrongful termination.

In the case of POTUS, do we really want a court case for ever politician who has bitched about an election outcome? I think SCOTUS got this one right. I think they're also sending a message that SCOTUS doesn't want to be involved in elections.

And yet if the election for POTUS is under federal control (aside from the very basic stuff they leave up to the states), who else but the SCOTUS gets to decide on stuff like this?

But I agree we don't want every loss to become this same election denial bullsh*t we've been dealing with since 2016, either.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Here's an interesting hypothetical: Let,s say your employer can terminate you for breaking the law by smoking weed (isn't it funny how poor an example that has suddenly become?Maybe speeding or public intoxication is better).

Anyway, you get caught on video smoking weed and your employer sees it, but don't get busted by the cops.

Can they fire you?
Can you employer declare you've broken the law and fire you if you're not busted and convicted?

The answer is no, not based on the video "evidence". It could be nothing more than tobacco he or she is smoking. Tobacco is legal.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Which would be fine, except he doesn't understand the language well enough yo play the game.

He just makes shit up and demands that it he accepted as truth.
Lame way to argue and it only makes him look less educated and more childlike in his thinking.

Who is "he"?

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

But now he has you debating whether orbiting the earth is floating or perpetual free fall, and I'd have to say you're both correct. Ultimately, I just can’t see any value in the conversation.

Even though Rob had no clue before hand, before he accessed Googles search engine, about gravity, free falls, or anything not related to ruining peoples lives and denying them food, I have to say he isn't wrong on the gravity conversation.

 

[Old_Slapper]

Here's an interesting hypothetical: Let,s say your employer can terminate you for breaking the law by smoking weed (isn't it funny how poor an example that has suddenly become?Maybe speeding or public intoxication is better).

Anyway, you get caught on video smoking weed and your employer sees it, but don't get busted by the cops.

Can they fire you?
Can you employer declare you've broken the law and fire you if you're not busted and convicted?

Like Jimi77 and THXOne stated, there are more action taken place. An employer also has different civil laws to abide by. Like mentioned, you can be fired, but then sue for wrongful termination. If someone says you were seen smoking weed, then an investigation would come out.

To compare examples, if you were up for a promotion as CEO of a company, the current board members will not fire you for no reason. If other candidates went to the board and accused you of illegal practices, the board will review that evidence and make a decision from that. During this time, the board will keep in mind that it was a competitor that provided this information. If the evidence came up negative, the board will then look at the accusers as being an unethical and slimy people.