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[Old_Slapper]

Nope. Never said I was one, don't pretend to be one.

That's your fantasy, dating back to when it was insisted that I couldn't prosecute people unless I was an attorney. A fantasy proved wrong.

Wrong then, and wrong now.
At least you are consistent.

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The law is funny like that.
Not one person on the highway may give a crap that you are doing 10 over the limit.
Yet a cop can still issue a moving violation.

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I'll refer you to the housing market crash that happened during the Bush administration.
Free-for-all turned real bad, real fast.

Correct, but you don't get to interchange the worlds at will and as is needed to make things work best for you.
This is exaclty what Trump did. And it is fraud.
"Trump might think Mar-a-Lago is worth $1.8 billion, but in 2020, his own company said the Palm Beach appraiser was right. That year, the county valued Mar-a-Lago at $27 million."
"The Petitioner agrees with the determination of the property appraiser or tax collector," a real estate broker representing Mar-a-Lago acknowledged on a form filed with the local Value Adjustment Board, and obtained by CBS News."

So he's happy to have it appraised at $27 million for tax purposes, but then wants to declare it as worth $1.8 BILLION when it comes to using the property to declare his wealth and secure bank loans?
That's fraud.

I am aware what Trump personally valued it at, but putting a personal value on something is not a crime. I see people putting values on their personal property all the time. This is when the banks/buyer need to do their own research.

I guarantee, if a tax appraiser says your $500,000 home is only worth $150,000, you will report that on your taxes. I 100% doubt anyone will say "NOPE!!! it's worth $500,000, so charge me for that rate." At the same time, if you're taking a loan out on your house and the lender says it's worth $1,000,000, you'll accept that amount. There is no shame in admitting that. It's all about playing a totally legal game.

A bank will not loan money to someone on a promise. They will do their own research on the value of a property. I have purchased and sold quite a few homes, and not once did a bank not send out an appraiser. One time, a bank sent out two and another time, I requested a second appraisal. Either way, an appraiser was always involved.

Again, I'm not looking for an argument. Like I mentioned to another member, I consider this to be a friendly conversation while on a fishing trip.

 

[Old_Slapper]

I do have to say, the ****** assault charges, against Trump, are pretty wacked. Clinton's involvement with Epstein is way to suspicious, but more effort is being spent on Trump's case, which a judge already ruled as being innocent of ****, than finding out just how much Clinton was involved with Epstein. Also, you'll remember Tara Reade and Biden. Why isn't anyone pushing to find out what happened with that?

My biggest complaint, to show how brainwashed, so many people are, since when is it okay to pin someone as being guilty until proven innocent?

 

[YourNameHere 10+ year member]

I am aware what Trump personally valued it at, but putting a personal value on something is not a crime. I see people putting values on their personal property all the time. This is when the banks/buyer need to do their own research.

I guarantee, if a tax appraiser says your $500,000 home is only worth $150,000, you will report that on your taxes. I 100% doubt anyone will say "NOPE!!! it's worth $500,000, so charge me for that rate." At the same time, if you're taking a loan out on your house and the lender says it's worth $1,000,000, you'll accept that amount. There is no shame in admitting that. It's all about playing a totally legal game.

A bank will not loan money to someone on a promise. They will do their own research on the value of a property. I have purchased and sold quite a few homes, and not once did a bank not send out an appraiser. One time, a bank sent out two and another time, I requested a second appraisal. Either way, an appraiser was always involved.

Again, I'm not looking for an argument. Like I mentioned to another member, I consider this to be a friendly conversation while on a fishing trip.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

since when is it okay to pin someone as being guilty until proven innocent?

That's just how the legal system works at every level these days...if you can't afford a good attorney then your public defender is gonna push for a plea deal...

It's all pay to play...

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

I tell you what Rob, since you want to PM me and tell me I am lying, tell me how YOU go to a judge and stand before him with evidence and decide the legal ramifications to be leveled on your victims.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

I do have to say, the ****** assault charges, against Trump, are pretty wacked. Clinton's involvement with Epstein is way to suspicious, but more effort is being spent on Trump's case, which a judge already ruled as being innocent of ****, than finding out just how much Clinton was involved with Epstein. Also, you'll remember Tara Reade and Biden. Why isn't anyone pushing to find out what happened with that?

My biggest complaint, to show how brainwashed, so many people are, since when is it okay to pin someone as being guilty until proven innocent?

It's what happens when your gov is corrupted. Break all the rules you can get away with to try and maintain power. People are brainwashed to hate, to go against logic by allowing hate to bypass normally accepted behavior, all in the goals of what's usually portrayed as some "greater good."

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Rob PM'd me. Now in the same PM's he started he is telling me to stop messaging him and is calling me a weird stalker troll. I feel sexually harassed.

 

[YourNameHere 10+ year member]

Can we get screen shots of PM's for entertainment purposes?

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

As requested from my personal PM inbox...

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Apparently I hit my 10 post limit. Good. He gets on my nerves.

 

[Old_Slapper]

It's what happens when your gov is corrupted. Break all the rules you can get away with to try and maintain power. People are brainwashed to hate, to go against logic by allowing hate to bypass normally accepted behavior, all in the goals of what's usually portrayed as some "greater good."

The best way to obtain loyalty is to use people's emotions. Cause someone to be emotionally involved in you, you will own them for life. I hate to say this, out loud, but it started in during the Obama administration. You'll remember his speech where he was telling people to go out and get in the face of those that don't have your own beliefs? Then he started telling us to watch our neighbors and if we see anything we don't approve of we are to report it?

I miss the days where you can have a conversation with someone, disagree with them, punch them in the arm, laugh about it, then go have a beer.

I have a cousin who married a guy that turned down a high paying job at a college because that school had a different political belief than him. He's a democrat. I just looked at him and slapped my forehead. I said "you gave up a great future, and lifestyle, for your family because you can't accept someone else's political opinion?"

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Rob, you aren't prosecuting anything. You are fetching information for someone else to use to prosecute someone. You know, like when you fetch that coffee.

7 CFR 273.16, troll.
Go read it. It outlines it for you.

Wrong this time, wrong last time. You should leave the thread and stop stalking me.

Actually, plenty of people were defrauded. The desire to defend Trump doesn't change the law or change what happened.

Any idea how many people got defrauded before the housing market crash? The problem there was that the fraud ended up causing major losses for everyone.

 

[Old_Slapper]

I didn't read what you guys posted for what the 2008 housing crash was about, but it was purely about stupid people getting conned by crooked banks. I apologize if I offended you one of you for saying that. I understand that it's easy to be blinded by the chance to get your dream home and a banker gives you an option on how you can do it. You have a variable loan at 2%. What did people think was going to happen when interest goes upto 4%? You're talking your payment jumping up over 25%. One of my majors was economics, so I saw what was happening and stayed away from buying a house before the crash. It was a terrible time. That's when I got out of the car audio industry. I knew it was going to tank, so I jumped ship before I was laid off.

To be honest, high paying car audio jobs were going away, any ways. Sad though. in the early 2000's, I was making around $100k. By 2009, I was making around $65k.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

I didn't read what you guys posted for what the 2008 housing crash was about, but it was purely about stupid people getting conned by crooked banks. I apologize if I offended you one of you for saying that. I understand that it's easy to be blinded by the chance to get your dream home and a banker gives you an option on how you can do it. You have a variable loan at 2%. What did people think was going to happen when interest goes upto 4%? You're talking your payment jumping up over 25%. One of my majors was economics, so I saw what was happening and stayed away from buying a house before the crash. It was a terrible time. That's when I got out of the car audio industry. I knew it was going to tank, so I jumped ship before I was laid off.

To be honest, high paying car audio jobs were going away, any ways. Sad though. in the early 2000's, I was making around $100k. By 2009, I was making around $65k.

Precisely. But if the house of cards hadn't fallen, some folks here would insist that no one was defrauded and no fraud happened.
Unless the bank was owned by Clinton, Obama, Biden...

Anyone recall the S&L scandal?

Think of the ripple effect if Trump did this with all his properties and ended up going bankrupt or in some way defaulting.

Impossible?
So was the S&L crisis that cost taxpayers $130 billion. So was the housing market crash. So was the dot-com kablooey.
Etc.

A lack of injury doesn't mean fraud didn't happen.
And you KNOW if it was Biden, the right-wing would want him strung up by his toes.

That time Trump thought the POTUS was actually a king. And was told he is wrong.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

DOJ Arrests New Jersey Democrat For Mail-In Ballot Fraud

A team of people was paid to cast ballots in the names of individuals who told authorities they did not vote

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