What is?

[metalheadjoe 10+ year member]

The short term benefits have already been pretty significant, why wouldn't there be long-term benefits???

Do bandaids have long-term benefits? It's not an accurate comparison because bandaids actually have inarguable short-term benefits, but you get the point.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Do bandaids have long-term benefits? It's not an accurate comparison because bandaids actually have inarguable short-term benefits, but you get the point.

I think we're miscommuniticating here. I'm saying the vax will have a long term benefits much like the invention and availability of bandaids has had a long term benefits. Clearly the first jab I got which targeted the original and Delta strains is of little benefit now.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Pfizer is evil:

The Pfizer doc does make Pfize look bad by continually dodging the question. Especially since it's not an overly complicated question or answer. I don't even see the answer as particularly damning, but for some reason people chose to dodge, lie and evade even when the truth won't hurt them.

 

[metalheadjoe 10+ year member]

I think we're miscommuniticating here. I'm saying the vax will have a long term benefits much like the invention and availability of bandaids has had a long term benefits. Clearly the first jab I got which targeted the original and Delta strains is of little benefit now.

I started by saying I'm terrified for my loved ones about the long term effects of the experiment, obviously referring to covid19 experimental shots. When did we switch to discussing generalities and inventions?

On that note, if your points were focused on generalities and inventions, what are the significant short term benefits that you mentioned?

You can't have it both ways.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

I started by saying I'm terrified for my loved ones about the long term effects of the experiment, obviously referring to covid19 experimental shots. When did we switch to discussing generalities and inventions?

On that note, if your points were focused on generalities and inventions, what are the significant short term benefits that you mentioned?

You can't have it both ways.

Clearly people faired better with the vax - mainly lower hospitalization and death rates compared to getting covid.

 

[metalheadjoe 10+ year member]

Clearly people faired better with the vax - mainly lower hospitalization and death rates compared to getting covid.

Ok, so you were specifically referring to the covid19 vaccine, and not the inventions of vaccines in general? I'm trying to be civil, but you are arguing two completely different points as if they are related. Do you want to talk about covid19 vaccine or do you want to talk about the invention of vaccines (as you suggested when you said bandaids have no long term effect, but their invention has a long term effect).

Nobody can ever know if those who died before the vaccine would have been saved.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Ok, so you were specifically referring to the covid19 vaccine, and not the inventions of vaccines in general? I'm trying to be civil, but you are arguing two completely different points as if they are related. Do you want to talk about covid19 vaccine or do you want to talk about the invention of vaccines (as you suggested when you said bandaids have no long term effect, but their invention has a long term effect).

Nobody can ever know if those who died before the vaccine would have been saved.

Specifically the covid vax. I believe if you look at data say 10 years from now, we'll find that the vax prevents illness.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Clearly people faired better with the vax - mainly lower hospitalization and death rates compared to getting covid.

Yeah ya know, I don't think that it did. How do we know the Vax did anything? How do we know that the people who got the vax would have had to go to the hospital at all if they didn't get the vax? We don't know. How can we know a thing that never happened??? Oh they got the vax so they didn't have to go to the hospital... really, show the proof that the vax prevented ANYONE from having to go to the hospital.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Here it comes...

Do you like contradicting yourself?

You consider ZeroHedge credible, but WSJ not credible?
Wow.

Except you of course... that is why you are here after all, for your ego and trophies. Not afraid to point out bullshit huh? Like the highlighted bold words you spoke above.

Trophies? What trophies do I gain from being here?

We would all literally have to stop posting as you assume all post not made by you are bullshit.

Wholly incorrect. There are plenty of posts made here that aren’t bullshit. It’s the bullshit ones I am not afraid to point out.
Bullshitters hate being called out. ‘Might explain you constant anger and hatred.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

You consider ZeroHedge credible, but WSJ not credible?

Never read one post by ZeroHedge.

Wow.

Trophies? What trophies do I gain from being here?

You tell us. You are still posting and claiming victories.

Wholly incorrect. There are plenty of posts made here that aren’t bullshit. It’s the bullshit ones I am not afraid to point out.
Bullshitters hate being called out. ‘Might explain you constant anger and hatred.

Spell check.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Yeah ya know, I don't think that it did. How do we know the Vax did anything? How do we know that the people who got the vax would have had to go to the hospital at all if they didn't get the vax? We don't know. How can we know a thing that never happened??? Oh they got the vax so they didn't have to go to the hospital... really, show the proof that the vax prevented ANYONE from having to go to the hospital.

Show proof ANY vaccine ever did/does anything, and it’s not all just coincidence.

Prove that aspirin really has an effect on a headache, and it’s not just a coincidence that headaches get reduced when taken.

PROVE that seatbelts really have any effect on the death rate from auto accidents, and it wasn’t simply that ALL cars got similarly safer at the same time seatbelt laws took effect.

PROVE that radiation or chemotherapy kills cancer, and that it isn’t just a coincidence it goes away when people get the treatments.

Do you willfully refuse to have a clue, or do really not know just how little you know?

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Never read one post by ZeroHedge.

Then how can you express an opinion of my comparison?

You tell us. You are still posting and claiming victories.

I checked my mailbox. No trophies. None on the mantle either.

Spell check.

Spell check explains your anger and hatred?

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Show proof ANY vaccine ever did/does anything, and it’s not all just coincidence.

Prove that aspirin really has an effect on a headache, and it’s not just a coincidence that headaches get reduced when taken.

PROVE that seatbelts really have any effect on the death rate from auto accidents, and it wasn’t simply that ALL cars got similarly safer at the same time seatbelt laws took effect.

PROVE that radiation or chemotherapy kills cancer, and that it isn’t just a coincidence it goes away when people get the treatments.

Do you willfully refuse to have a clue, or do really not know just how little you know?

So instead of providing proof you just run your mouth. You want the vax to be something you can argue about so to you, even though you can't prove it prevented or lessened anything you will stand behind it because it fits the narrative you have been told to support.

Just say you have no proof.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Then how can you express an opinion of my comparison?

Because I am free to do as I please. Think as I please.

I checked my mailbox. No trophies. None on the mantle either.

Must be metaphorical then dumbass.

Spell check explains your anger and hatred?

That's better.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

So instead of providing proof you just run your mouth. You want the vax to be something you can argue about so to you, even though you can't prove it prevented or lessened anything you will stand behind it because it fits the narrative you have been told to support.

Just say you have no proof.

The statistics have been provided here probably dozens of times.
Here they are yet again. They are accepted by the medical and science community, therefore it’s your job to disprove them if you want to say they are faked.
Use your extensive background in virology, immunology, biology, anatomy, statistics. Do not fall back on your usual “numbers can be faked” or “only left-wing idiots will believe a study involving 600,000 people” or some other garbage.
Unless that’s the best you can do?

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