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[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Hospitals got paid to treat covid, not for people dying from Covid. That probably explains why the flu disappeared for a while, but since the hospitals weren't incentivized to call everything a covid death, can we put that claim to rest?

Hospital COVID payments tied to patient treatment, not deaths

AP’S ASSESSMENT: False.

apnews.com

No, we can’t put it to rest:

“We rate the claim that hospitals get paid more if patients are listed as COVID-19 and on ventilators as TRUE.”

Fact check: Hospitals get paid more if patients listed as COVID-19, on ventilators

Hospitals are paid more for Medicare patients with COVID-19, but a senator who first said that says he doesn't think the system is being gamed.

www.usatoday.com

“Around 88% of patients with COVID-19 who were put on a ventilator in a New York hospital system died, according to a new study.”

Nearly 9 in 10 COVID-19 patients who are put on a ventilator die, New York hospital data suggests

That doesn't mean the ventilators caused harm, though.

www.livescience.com

So, hospitals got paid more to put people on ventilators, and basically 90% of people who got put on ventilators died…

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

No, we can’t put it to rest:

“We rate the claim that hospitals get paid more if patients are listed as COVID-19 and on ventilators as TRUE.”

Fact check: Hospitals get paid more if patients listed as COVID-19, on ventilators

Hospitals are paid more for Medicare patients with COVID-19, but a senator who first said that says he doesn't think the system is being gamed.

www.usatoday.com

“Around 88% of patients with COVID-19 who were put on a ventilator in a New York hospital system died, according to a new study.”

Nearly 9 in 10 COVID-19 patients who are put on a ventilator die, New York hospital data suggests

That doesn't mean the ventilators caused harm, though.

www.livescience.com

They get paid more for a patient on a ventilator, than one who is not?
Strange.

Do they also get paid more for a patient who gets diagnostic imaging, versus one who does not?

What makes them think they can charge based on services provided?!?!

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

All I know is no one cares about covid anymore and thank god for that. No one cares about the vaccine either. Over counts, under counts, it doesn’t matter. Nothing will come of it anyway. Time will tell what accountability if any will come. After what all has happened, no one will tolerate again what we did. One thing I’ve learned from all this is that covid is the most reliable longest last thing ever to be made in China. If they can apply that to the car audio made there that would be fantastic!

I respectfully disagree. Most people followed orders in Lockstep, or way too many did. Now look at people lined up around the block and signing up for Worldcoin. The people who are mind controlled by CIA ran psychological warfare programming through MSM will totally follow all orders again, IMO. I genuinely hope I’m wrong, but human stupidity shows no bounds.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

I respectfully disagree. Most people followed orders in Lockstep, or way too many did. Now look at people lined up around the block and signing up for Worldcoin. The people who are mind controlled by CIA ran psychological warfare programming through MSM will totally follow all orders again, IMO. I genuinely hope I’m wrong, but human stupidity shows no bounds.

You must be incredibly gullible if you are worried about the mainstream media controlling people’s minds.

But if they could, don’t you think others would have figured it out and used it to force us all to by a specific product, or ho to a specific store?
For instance, the biggest employer in the world:WalMart. Why not just use the sss as me mind control to make everyone shop only there?

And…why would there be so many media outlets, and not just one that controls our brains to watch it, and it only?

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

No, we can’t put it to rest:

“We rate the claim that hospitals get paid more if patients are listed as COVID-19 and on ventilators as TRUE.”

Fact check: Hospitals get paid more if patients listed as COVID-19, on ventilators

Hospitals are paid more for Medicare patients with COVID-19, but a senator who first said that says he doesn't think the system is being gamed.

www.usatoday.com

“Around 88% of patients with COVID-19 who were put on a ventilator in a New York hospital system died, according to a new study.”

Nearly 9 in 10 COVID-19 patients who are put on a ventilator die, New York hospital data suggests

That doesn't mean the ventilators caused harm, though.

www.livescience.com

So, hospitals got paid more to put people on ventilators, and basically 90% of people who got put on ventilators died…

Hmmm…..why did the feds give hospitals monetary incentives to put people on ventilators?

““We are operating under a medical paradigm that is untrue,” Kyle-Sidell warned. “I believe we are treating the wrong disease, and I fear that this misguided treatment will lead to a tremendous amount of harm to a great number of people in a very short time.””

“Mechanical ventilation always comes with risks: a tube must be placed into a patient’s airway to deliver oxygen to their body when their lungs no longer can. It’s an invasive form of support, and most doctors view it as a last resort.”

“Doctors like Kyle-Sidell (who TIME could not reach for comment) argue these numbers are so high because physicians are ventilating patients as though they have a condition called acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS), when they in fact have a different type of lung damage that may not respond well to mechanical ventilation.”

The virus was an aerosol to begin with. I’m sure the decision has nothing to do with the federal gov paying more money to the hospital for using ventilators, lol:

“He says some doctors are intubating early because they fear that less-intensive forms of ventilation, like high-flow nasal oxygen, can aerosolize a virus, putting health care workers at risk of getting sick….Tufts’ Hill also points out that patients sick enough to require intubation tend to be those who are older and have underlying conditions.”

“The lungs usually get stiff when a patient has ARDS, requiring high-pressure ventilation to support them. But that’s not happening with many COVID-19 patients, Hill says, leading some doctors to fear that the extra pressure is actually damaging the lungs.

Even stranger, some COVID-19 patients who show very low blood oxygen levels still appear to be breathing fairly comfortably, raising even more questions about how much support they need.”

Why Ventilators May Not Be Working Well for COVID-19 Patients

Death rates are unusually high

time.com

Oh, wait, I have an idea! It’s called state-sponsored murder. Especially murder of the elderly, because they don’t make money anymore and drain resources, so the federal gov has no use for them anymore. I think I have a winner!

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

You must be incredibly gullible if you are worried about the mainstream media controlling people’s minds.

You should be a comedian! Hahahaha that’s f*cking hilarious, Rob!

“A caller to Washington Journal, May 27, 2018, raised the repeal of the Smith Mundt Act, legalizing domestic propaganda and the complicity of the media with the Deep State. The Daily Beast's Eleanor Clift dismissed this fact as a conspiracy theory, but the Washington Times' Cheryl Chumley reminded her of Operation Mockingbird in which intelligence assets were placed in the media. Eleanor looked very unconfortable....”

User Clip: Operation Mockingbird exposed on C-Span

A caller to Washington Journal, May 27, 2018, raised the repeal of the Smith Mundt Act, legalizing domestic propaganda and the complicity of the media with the Deep State. The Daily Beast's Eleanor Clift dismissed this fact as a conspiracy theory, but the Washington Times' Cheryl Chumley...

www.c-span.org

“The CIA has long played the international game of propaganda required by an intelligence agency, but during the Cold War, the Agency paid and intimidated journalists into helping promote its messages. Famous Watergate reporter Carl Bernstein broke the story in 1977 for Rolling Stone. Bernstein revealed the workings of Operation Mockingbird, in which many journalists – included Pulitzer Prize winners – joined the CIA’s payroll, writing fake stories to disseminate the agency’s agitprop and providing intelligence. Other journalists were threatened and blackmailed into cooperating with Mockingbird, and many were given falsified or fabricated information about their actions in order to engender their support for the CIA’s mission. The program has never been officially discontinued.”

The Journalists on the CIA’s Payroll

www.thedailybeast.com

Worldwide Propaganda Network Built by the C.I.A. (Published 1977)

2d in series deals with worldwide propaganda network built by agency

www.nytimes.com

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

No, we can’t put it to rest:

“We rate the claim that hospitals get paid more if patients are listed as COVID-19 and on ventilators as TRUE.”

Fact check: Hospitals get paid more if patients listed as COVID-19, on ventilators

Hospitals are paid more for Medicare patients with COVID-19, but a senator who first said that says he doesn't think the system is being gamed.

www.usatoday.com

“Around 88% of patients with COVID-19 who were put on a ventilator in a New York hospital system died, according to a new study.”

Nearly 9 in 10 COVID-19 patients who are put on a ventilator die, New York hospital data suggests

That doesn't mean the ventilators caused harm, though.

www.livescience.com

So, hospitals got paid more to put people on ventilators, and basically 90% of people who got put on ventilators died…

They were putting people on ventilators because doctors were desperate to save their lives and that's standard procedure when faced with a patient with respiratory failure.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

You should be a comedian! Hahahaha that’s f*cking hilarious, Rob!

“A caller to Washington Journal, May 27, 2018, raised the repeal of the Smith Mundt Act, legalizing domestic propaganda and the complicity of the media with the Deep State. The Daily Beast's Eleanor Clift dismissed this fact as a conspiracy theory, but the Washington Times' Cheryl Chumley reminded her of Operation Mockingbird in which intelligence assets were placed in the media. Eleanor looked very unconfortable....”

User Clip: Operation Mockingbird exposed on C-Span

A caller to Washington Journal, May 27, 2018, raised the repeal of the Smith Mundt Act, legalizing domestic propaganda and the complicity of the media with the Deep State. The Daily Beast's Eleanor Clift dismissed this fact as a conspiracy theory, but the Washington Times' Cheryl Chumley...

www.c-span.org

“The CIA has long played the international game of propaganda required by an intelligence agency, but during the Cold War, the Agency paid and intimidated journalists into helping promote its messages. Famous Watergate reporter Carl Bernstein broke the story in 1977 for Rolling Stone. Bernstein revealed the workings of Operation Mockingbird, in which many journalists – included Pulitzer Prize winners – joined the CIA’s payroll, writing fake stories to disseminate the agency’s agitprop and providing intelligence. Other journalists were threatened and blackmailed into cooperating with Mockingbird, and many were given falsified or fabricated information about their actions in order to engender their support for the CIA’s mission. The program has never been officially discontinued.”

The Journalists on the CIA’s Payroll

www.thedailybeast.com

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Worldwide Propaganda Network Built by the C.I.A. (Published 1977)

2d in series deals with worldwide propaganda network built by agency

www.nytimes.com

Do you feel you are being mind-controlled by the mainstream media?

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

They were putting people on ventilators because doctors were desperate to save their lives and that's standard procedure when faced with a patient with respiratory failure.

That sounds like crazy talk. Next you’re gonna say they use chemotherapy to slow or halt some cancers.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Do you feel you are being mind-controlled by the mainstream media?

Not really, no. I try to dig deep into things to make up my own mind.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

“The use of such genetically modified products violates the legal definition of “organic,” the group said.

The request comes after reports that the USDA and some organic certifiers have “quietly looked the other way” as commercial livestock producers have begun using genetically engineered vaccines in animals producing organic-certified meat, eggs and dairy products, according to OrganicEye.”

USDA Must End ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ Policy on GMO Vaccines in Organic Livestock, Watchdog Group Says

Agribusiness watchdog OrganicEye today demanded the U.S. Department of Agriculture hold a public hearing — or face litigation — on the use of mRNA and other genetically engineered vaccines in organic livestock production.

childrenshealthdefense.org

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Not really, no. I try to dig deep into things to make up my own mind.

But you think other people are of lesser ability than you, and ARE being controlled.

How did you end up being better than the rest of us?

 

[djdilliodon!]

I respectfully disagree. Most people followed orders in Lockstep, or way too many did. Now look at people lined up around the block and signing up for Worldcoin. The people who are mind controlled by CIA ran psychological warfare programming through MSM will totally follow all orders again, IMO. I genuinely hope I’m wrong, but human stupidity shows no bounds.

Call me selfish but I ain’t worried about no one. If people believe in things I think are stupid or that I don’t believe in, that is their problem lol. The entire vaccine thing, I didn’t get it, at the end of the day that’s all I care about lol. If someone got it cause they believed all the bs, or they wanted the virtue like they made a difference and saved lives, they can have fun with it . There is no way people are gonna go through what happened before with the mandates. Imo they got their one time pass. Now do I have opinions about the vaccine? I absolutely do. Do I think the future will prove it was driven by money and it was bad for people to take? I do, but if I’m wrong or right it doesn’t matter to me cause my stupid *** didn’t get it so I’m good .

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

But odds and statistics are.
You don’t need to be a psychic to know that the odds of getting “tails” when you flip a quarter once are 50/50, or that n 1,000 flips it’ll be damn close to 500x.

Math is funny like that.

Like I have stated before. Just because one can use math to manipulate outcomes does not make the outcome correct. Mr. Fraud Chaser. You should know better.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Like I have stated before. Just because one can use math to manipulate outcomes does not make the outcome correct. Mr. Fraud Chaser. You should know better.

So, the math caused people to die to match the projections? Amazing.

How does it feel to be so clueless? Or do you not know you’re clueless, so you don’t feel the effects?