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[Jimi77 Premium Member]

I've never had a pride perseon knock on my door to try to convert me.
Can't say that about Iehova's Witnesses though...

They're getting sneaky now. Had a lady approach us at the park the other day with million dollar bills. Didn't mention anything about Christ, God, etc. On the back of the bills "they" were trying to save our souls.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

That backpedal is worse than most of Thxone's.
You're not bright enough to successfully spin it, bud.

You sound like Trump: "I was only pretending to have classified documents on my desk. Showing off, you know..."

Did Trump really say that?

 

[djdilliodon!]

It's been shown in the medical world since the 1800's. I could give you 100 links to info about the efficacy of vaccines, but you would probably say they are bought and paid for by the deep state, or that Joe Rogan did an experiment in his basement that proves the history of medicine is incorrect.
When the proof is so well-known, then it is incumbent on you to prove your contradictory claims.

You're conflating viral shedding and viral load. They are two different things.
Go ahead and read up on them, and we can talk some more when you know what you are arguing.

While you are reading, find some information that indicates viral shedding is the same regardless of severity of illness.

I’ve listed for you in a previous post vaccines that are 90-100% effective. I’m not saying vaccines don’t work, I’m not in the camp that says all vaccines are the devil. I’m just saying the covid vaccine doesn’t block a person from getting covid or spreading it yet again making the point getting that vaccine is for YOURSELF not so you can sleep at night thinking you saved the world.

No, viral load and shedding go hand and hand. If you test for one the other correlates with other during infection. I’m not talking about “shedding” 4 weeks after infection in low amounts. That test I showed is measuring the load of the nearly 20,000 people tested during the infectious period.
Good read https://www.nature.com/articles/s41579-022-00822-w

It’s not my intent to make you look dumb. My only intent is to make you aware that you getting a covid vaccine was for yourself. Even if you believed at the time it was for doing right for others the truth is time revealed that isn’t the case.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

They're getting sneaky now. Had a lady approach us at the park the other day with million dollar bills. Didn't mention anything about Christ, God, etc. On the back of the bills "they" were trying to save our souls.

In God we trust. All others pay cash.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Did Trump really say that?

Paraphrased, but yes.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Paraphrased, but yes.

So no...

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Paraphrased, but yes.

I guess he's going to go with the planted docs defense then. Good luck Big Orange.

 

[SlugButter]

Have I ever said one thing about hateful in this thread? Have I ever said another that should be characterized as "BS" in this thread?

The "vaxxed people are heros" is your narrative not mine. I'm not sure how getting another vaccine when I already had dozens of immunization shots counts as heroic or virtuous. It was a minor inconvenience. I never claimed it was heroic nor have I ever claimed some moral high ground over those that chose not to vax. Is that the new line of reasoning with the anti-vaxxers; since there is no credible anti-vax argument to be made based on empirical data, instead the vaccinated are fools for thinking we're heros for getting the vax? And yes, for many "pro-vaxxers" getting the Covid vaccine was about the greater good (herd immunity) in addition to their personnel health. Again, I'm astonished that if one of your motives for doing something is that is can benefit of others, in addition to yourself, that is somehow a bad thing.

You’re missing my point. I will give you a real world example why it’s not virtuous. My cousin, who steals money from his parents and hides it in his girlfriends name to avoid child support, is a real piece of work. He took the vaccine. His brother, who served in the Navy, coaches little league t-ball for free and mows his elderly neighbors lawn every Sunday isn’t vaccinated. The useless cousin gets online constantly and uses his fake vaccine virtue to put down his brother for not being vaccinated. One of these men has real virtues, and the other doesn’t. The vaccination has nothing to do with virtue.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Schachtel: How The Flu "Disappeared" During The COVID Era | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Wow

‘Criminal’: Confidential EU Documents Reveal Thousands of Deaths From Pfizer-BioNTech Shots

“Confidential” documents released by BioNTech to the European Medicines Agency reveal tens of thousands of serious adverse events and thousands of deaths among people who received the Pfizer-BioNTech mRNA COVID-19 vaccine during a time period when the vaccine makers insisted they saw no “safety...

childrenshealthdefense.org

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

I’ve listed for you in a previous post vaccines that are 90-100% effective. I’m not saying vaccines don’t work, I’m not in the camp that says all vaccines are the devil. I’m just saying the covid vaccine doesn’t block a person from getting covid or spreading it yet again making the point getting that vaccine is for YOURSELF not so you can sleep at night thinking you saved the world.

No, viral load and shedding go hand and hand. If you test for one the other correlates with other during infection. I’m not talking about “shedding” 4 weeks after infection in low amounts. That test I showed is measuring the load of the nearly 20,000 people tested during the infectious period.
Good read https://www.nature.com/articles/s41579-022-00822-w

It’s not my intent to make you look dumb. My only intent is to make you aware that you getting a covid vaccine was for yourself. Even if you believed at the time it was for doing right for others the truth is time revealed that isn’t the case.

You’re SAYING the vax doesn’t do this, but the evidence and the medical community says otherwise.
Whose word are we supposed to take: Your’s? Joe Rogan’s? Alex Jones’s? The myriad conspiracy theorists that Buck follows and quotes endlessly?
Or the thousands of medical professionals in the medical industry that have gone to school, been trained, worked in the field, done the experiments, gathered the statistics, etc?

Viral load and shedding are two different animals. If I’m mildly sick but never cough or sneeze, I’m shedding less than the person who is hacking and schnorting all over the place. Common sense.

So, if getting a vaccine is “just for ourselves”, why is it required that people immigrating to the US be vaccinated? Just so they won’t get sick? Who GAF is they do?
No, it’s for this reason:

• The vaccine must protect against a disease that has the potential to cause an outbreak.

Who is being protected from an outbreak? The person getting vaccinated? No. That would not be an outbreak.
I guess it must be protecting OTHERS.

 

[djdilliodon!]

You’re SAYING the vax doesn’t do this, but the evidence and the medical community says otherwise.
Whose word are we supposed to take: Your’s? Joe Rogan’s? Alex Jones’s? The myriad conspiracy theorists that Buck follows and quotes endlessly?
Or the thousands of medical professionals in the medical industry that have gone to school, been trained, worked in the field, done the experiments, gathered the statistics, etc?

Viral load and shedding are two different animals. If I’m mildly sick but never cough or sneeze, I’m shedding less than the person who is hacking and schnorting all over the place. Common sense.

So, if getting a vaccine is “just for ourselves”, why is it required that people immigrating to the US be vaccinated? Just so they won’t get sick? Who GAF is they do?
No, it’s for this reason:

• The vaccine must protect against a disease that has the potential to cause an outbreak.

Who is being protected from an outbreak? The person getting vaccinated? No. That would not be an outbreak.
I guess it must be protecting OTHERS.

I haven’t seen any recent proof that the covid vax prevents a person from getting the virus or spreading it Not even the cdc anywhere lists this on their site for a reason cause it’s false. It would be listed at the top as one of the benefits to get vaxed. It’s only to prevent hospitalization, long covid, and death and it’s not 100% effective at that either. If the vaccine was indeed capable of preventing a person from getting the virus and spreading it, covid would eventually be eradicated, same deal with the flu. Hasn’t happened and will never happen. These types of viruses don’t work like others.

Edited to add: the United States no longer requires those from foreign countries to be vaccinated

 

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[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Plandemic:

‘In a groundbreaking revelation, it has come to light that Dr. Peter Hotez, an esteemed vaccine researcher, has been entangled in a web of funding, collaboration, and research with Chinese military scientists potentially involved in the development of COVID-19. The intricate tale weaves together key Chinese military virologists and culminates in the smoking gun evidence surrounding COVID-19’s notorious furin cleavage site.’

ZeroHedge

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www.zerohedge.com

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

I haven’t seen any recent proof that the covid vax prevents a person from getting the virus or spreading it Not even the cdc anywhere lists this on their site for a reason cause it’s false. It would be listed at the top as one of the benefits to get vaxed. It’s only to prevent hospitalization, long covid, and death and it’s not 100% effective at that either. If the vaccine was indeed capable of preventing a person from getting the virus and spreading it, covid would eventually be eradicated, same deal with the flu. Hasn’t happened and will never happen. These types of viruses don’t work like others.

Edited to add: the United States no longer requires those from foreign countries to be vaccinated

Recent proof?
Are you expecting them to test the vaccines all over again to see if they still work or if human bodies have suddenly changed in some way?
Why would they do it all over again, when they’ve already got data on efficacy from literally billions of administered vaxes?

As for immigration: it makes sense because with 81% of the US population having had at least one shot, an outbreak is unlikely. The vaxes required by immigration are done so in order to prevent the immigrant causing an outbreak (i.e. - making others sick).

I’m still waiting for proof that unlike others, this particular vaccine has no blue sky effect. That would suggest that COVID is on some way not a communicable illness.
Did that aspect of it get changed?