I don’t believe the charges of Abuse or Obstruction were vague at all, but it would be silly to post the charges here. Instead, you can reference the actual text. They are pretty specific, and rather black-and-white:Lying under oath (perjury) is black-and-white. Bill was under oath, and he lied while under oath. Do you disagree? GETTING head is ******. Do you disagree?
"Abuse of power" and "obstruction of congress" are both open to interpretation. I personally believe every executive order is an abuse of power, and Chevron deference is an abuse of power, and officer discretion is an abuse of power... you get the point. Abuse of power is open to interpretation. I do not believe asking a foreign leader to investigate crimes committed by US citizens is abuse of power.
"Obstruction of congress" infuriates me. The charge of "obstruction of congress" is actually an abuse of power. It basically means, "we're congress, so you must obey us. If you don't, we'll criminally charge you for it." What is the black-and-white definition of "obstruction of congress"? Is the janitor who says "bathroom's closed while we clean it" obstructing congress? Is a broken chair obstructing congress? Is a defective valve that makes the room too warm obstructing congress?
Law needs to be black-and-white for people to be able to follow it. You must know that if you are as legally knowledgeable as you imply.
This may sound crazy: try to reply civilly and logically rather than aggressively and defensively.
You ask me to reply civilly, but use an example of a janitor closing a bathroom as obstructing Congress. I get the concept, but it seems like an attempt to play naive as opposed to offering a legit analogy.
A crime is the committing of a criminal act. You asked if abuse of power and obstruction of Congress are crimes. I answered in the affirmative, based on the law and how the law works.No, No, No. Just stop.
I did not ask if the things he DID were crimes.
"Abuse of Power.
Obstruction of Congress.
Do either of these things constitute a criminal act?"
I did not state he did these things I only ask you if those acts constitute criminal acts. Right off the bat you are speaking from your true feelings. You think he did these things and your post show this is how you think.
Being impeached -
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(especially in the US) charge (the holder of a public office) with misconduct.
This says nothing about the accusations being credible. Again, your feelings.
Nobody said he wasn't impeached. I said the impeachments were spiteful.
This is not feelings it is verifiable and immutable fact.
You seem upset that I referenced Trump when you asked about abuse of power and obstruction of Congress. Weird, considering those were things he was impeached for.
Yes, an impeachment proceeding absolutely DOES speak to the credibility of the allegation. If the allegation has no credibility then there would be no vote to move forward with the impeachment process.
Look at the three steps below to understand the process a little bit better, and why an impeachment speaks to credibility of allegations.
- First, the House investigates through an impeachment inquiry.
- Second, the House of Representatives must pass, by a simple majority of those present and voting, articles of impeachment, which constitute the formal allegation or allegations. Upon passage, the defendant has been "impeached".
- Third, the Senate tries the accused.
“Spiteful”? YOU are the guy who accused Biden of breaking the law when he very legally utilized the SPR, but you consider impeachment hearings for abuse of power and obstruction of Congress as “spiteful”? Wow. And you wonder why I say Trump is your lord and savior. Your feelings could BE any more biased against reality.
