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[RobGMN Premium Member]

Rob, what do you consider as "assistance"?

When a state gets back more than it contributes in tax dollars to the Federal Government.
For example:

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

When a state gets back more than it contributes in tax dollars to the Federal Government.
For example:
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So you will list what you consider as assistance specifically by name right?

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

So you will list what you consider as assistance specifically by name right?

Do you not get the concept of "getting back MORE than you contribute"?
If you walk into a store and pay LESS than their actual cost on a product, do you not understand that makes you a "taker"?

WHEN A STATE GETS BACK MORE FROM THE GOVERNMENT THAN THEY GIVE TO THE GOVERNMENT, IT MAKES THEM A "WELFARE STATE" BY DEFAULT.
That's how money works.
The higher the ratio, the more a "taker" state they are.
Seriously, what part confuses you?

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Do you not get the concept of "getting back MORE than you contribute"?
If you walk into a store and pay LESS than their actual cost on a product, do you not understand that makes you a "taker"?

WHEN A STATE GETS BACK MORE FROM THE GOVERNMENT THAN THEY GIVE TO THE GOVERNMENT, IT MAKES THEM A "WELFARE STATE" BY DEFAULT.
That's how money works.
The higher the ratio, the more a "taker" state they are.
Seriously, what part confuses you?

So, no. You could have just said no, I won't list them.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

So, no. You could have just said no, I won't list them.

List WHAT? Do you want to see how much money each state in the top 10 takes versus how much it contributes to the federal coffers?
I can provide that.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

List WHAT? Do you want to see how much money each state in the top 10 takes versus how much it contributes to the federal coffers?
I can provide that.

Rob I ask YOU what YOU consider assistance. You spewed out a bunch of vague crap. It's not hard to answer questions unless you have no answers or can't come up with any thoughts of your own.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Rob I ask YOU what YOU consider assistance. You spewed out a bunch of vague crap. It's not hard to answer questions unless you have no answers or can't come up with any thoughts of your own.

I’ll try again since you seem to have trouble COMPREHENDING:
Assistance is getting back more than you give.
Is that straightforward enough? I could try other words for you:
Assistance is receiving more than you contribute.
Assistance is taking more than you provide.
Assistance is receiving more than you submit.

Would an example help?: Assistance is a state sending $1 in taxes to the federal government, and the federal government giving the state $1.50 in grants.

Now, I named the top ten taker states for the past three presidencies.
Are you going to prove that the red states aren’t really red, and that the vast majority of the top ten haven’t been red states for each administration?

Waiting for proofs.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

I’ll try again since you seem to have trouble COMPREHENDING:
Assistance is getting back more than you give.
Is that straightforward enough? I could try other words for you:
Assistance is receiving more than you contribute.
Assistance is taking more than you provide.
Assistance is receiving more than you submit.

Would an example help?: Assistance is a state sending $1 in taxes to the federal government, and the federal government giving the state $1.50 in grants.

Now, I named the top ten taker states for the past three presidencies.
Are you going to prove that the red states aren’t really red, and that the vast majority of the top ten haven’t been red states for each administration?

Waiting for proofs.

You keep saying the same shit and not even in different ways. Just say no, I can't define what the assistance's are.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

You keep saying the same shit and not even in different ways. Just say no, I can't define what the assistance's are.

Define what you are asking for, since you are not very good with words.
Do you need me to list everything a state uses the grant money for that they get from the federal government?
If so, are you asking because you don’t know, because you think you are testing me, or because you are trying to say a net-negative for a state is not really net-negative?
If none of these reasons, then why?

USAspending.gov

www.usaspending.gov

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Define what you are asking for, since you are not very good with words.
Do you need me to list everything a state uses the grant money for that they get from the federal government?
If so, are you asking because you don’t know, because you think you are testing me, or because you are trying to say a net-negative for a state is not really net-negative?
If none of these reasons, then why?

USAspending.gov

www.usaspending.gov

WTF is your mental block here? I am not asking you to Google a bunch of bullshit, I am asking what YOU think is assistance. It's not a hard question.

Example:

Assistance;

Food Stamps
Welfare
TANF
...and so on.

I know, your brain isn't wired to think for itself... it's wired for Google and bullshit spins.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

WTF is your mental block here? I am not asking you to Google a bunch of bullshit, I am asking what YOU think is assistance. It's not a hard question.

Example:

Assistance;

Food Stamps
Welfare
TANF
...and so on.

I know, your brain isn't wired to think for itself... it's wired for Google and bullshit spins.

Assistance is the state getting more from the feds than it gives to the feds.
The state uses those grants for any number of programs, from healthcare, to schools, road repair, other infrastructure, law enforcement, public assistance programs such as TANF, SNAP, Medicaid, etc.

Regardless of what the grants are used for, any state that gets back more than it gives is a welfare state. A “taker”. The money they get comes from the “giver” states.

8:10 of the top taker states are red and get their money from 8:10 of the top giver states, which are blue.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Assistance is the state getting more from the feds than it gives to the feds.
The state uses those grants for any number of programs, from healthcare, to schools, road repair, other infrastructure, law enforcement, public assistance programs such as TANF, SNAP, Medicaid, etc.

Regardless of what the grants are used for, any state that gets back more than it gives is a welfare state. A “taker”. The money they get comes from the “giver” states.

8:10 of the top taker states are red and get their money from 8:10 of the top giver states, which are blue.

So you have picked a definition and will use that to cover everything that helps your argument. Got it. Nothing else is relevant, you have decided on the only acceptable definition. This should make it easy for you to win the argument with yourself tool.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

So you have picked a definition and will use that to cover everything that helps your argument. Got it. Nothing else is relevant, you have decided on the only acceptable definition. This should make it easy for you to win the argument with yourself tool.

He didn't "pick a definition," it's the claim he made all along, money flows from blue states to red states. The irony being the blue states generally support more taxation, higher tax rates, etc that are detrimental to them and beneficial to the red states who rail against the very policies that they benefit from. And yes, I'm aware I'm painting with a broad brush.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

He didn't "pick a definition," it's the claim he made all along, money flows from blue states to red states. The irony being the blue states generally support more taxation, higher tax rates, etc that are detrimental to them and beneficial to the red states who rail against the very policies that they benefit from. And yes, I'm aware I'm painting with a broad brush.

Yeah because he couldn't comprehend anything so he went on a rant.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

So you have picked a definition and will use that to cover everything that helps your argument. Got it. Nothing else is relevant, you have decided on the only acceptable definition. This should make it easy for you to win the argument with yourself tool.

“assistance - the provision of money, resources, or information to help someone”

Do you have a different definition when talking about a state getting more back from the federal government than it gives to the federal government?

What else would you call such a monetary transfer?

List of funds, with five indicators of how they are determined.

Most Federally Dependent States in 2024 - A Complete Rundown

Read on to discover the most federally dependent states, which states have the most welfare users, where most federal funding goes, and more.

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Are you going to prove that the red states aren’t really red, and that the vast majority of the top ten haven’t been red states for each administration?
Or, are you just going to make your list of claims you cannot prove even longer?