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[Jimi77 Premium Member]

So you’re saying pharmacists should take advantage of people’s ignorance to sell drugs?

Any and all industries take advantage of people's ignorance. It's up to the consumer to cure themselves of their ignorance. Is it right - no. However, that is how it is. The VIS is like any number of disclosures that consumers tend to ignore. Myocarditis, pericarditis, guillain barre syndrome and numerous other adverse reactions occur with all vaccinations not just the ones you take exception to.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Keep trying to spin it. The fact is you are clueless about vaccines. At this point you are clutching to any possible straw you can dredge up to justify your anti-Covid-vax feelings.

Literally hundreds of millions of verifications exist that you are wrong. Maybe give up this lost cause and find a new one?
You’re literally the guy who still thinks computers are a passing fad.

We may be in the billion range now. You have to keep in mind that in the case of Covid vaccine, it's facts be damned. There is such an overwhelming amount of data available at this point, only the willfully ignorant are hanging onto certain narratives about the vaccine. It's amazing how many people are willfully ignorant...

Keep in mind it goes beyond fearing what the vax will do to you, but certain "well informed people" have actually put together a "credible case" for how it's really the vaccinated spreading Covid. It's a very credible untested hypothesis - doesn't even involve Lizard people or vast world wide conspiracies. Just us idiots who were stupid enough get vaxxed because there is nothing like a vaccine to help propagate a virus. Why do you think they're finding polio in NY water supplies - too many vaxxed people.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Any and all industries take advantage of people's ignorance. It's up to the consumer to cure themselves of their ignorance. Is it right - no. However, that is how it is. The VIS is like any number of disclosures that consumers tend to ignore. Myocarditis, pericarditis, guillain barre syndrome and numerous other adverse reactions occur with all vaccinations not just the ones you take exception to.

So you’re saying pharmacists and big pharma take advantage of people’s ignorance like street drug dealers do?

Is taking advantage of someone who isn’t a professional in health an ok thing to do? That seems like a very predatory mind state, and it seems very unkind to your fellow man. Considering how most of the gov and media and corporations lied about both the safety and effectiveness of the vaccines, it really seems like you are saying it’s ok to lie and mislead people who aren’t medical pros in order to sell a product that could seriously injure or kill them. But it’s all good, because it’s for profit, right? It’s ok to lie and mislead people to make sure they get that injection, right?

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

So you’re saying pharmacists and big pharma take advantage of people’s ignorance like street drug dealers do?

Is taking advantage of someone who isn’t a professional in health an ok thing to do? That seems like a very predatory mind state, and it seems very unkind to your fellow man. Considering how most of the gov and media and corporations lied about both the safety and effectiveness of the vaccines, it really seems like you are saying it’s ok to lie and mislead people who aren’t medical pros in order to sell a product that could seriously injure or kill them. But it’s all good, because it’s for profit, right? It’s ok to lie and mislead people to make sure they get that injection, right?

So you feel that people are so incompetent, they cannot be trusted to make their own medical decisions even when provided (as by law) with all the information necessary?

Obviously you feel the government should not and cannot (capably) make these decisions for people.

If the people can’t be trusted and the government shouldn’t do it, who makes the decisions?
Is it the AI that you do vehemently object to?

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

So you feel that people are so incompetent, they cannot be trusted to make their own medical decisions even when provided (as by law) with all the information necessary?

Obviously you feel the government should not and cannot (capably) make these decisions for people.

If the people can’t be trusted and the government shouldn’t do it, who makes the decisions?
Is it the AI that you do vehemently object to?

Well, it would help people make better decisions if the media was honest about the risks and dangers of the vaccine, but they’re not. Many people were forced to take part in an experiment where the capability and safety of the product were completely lied about from the beginning.

It’s a whole step up in evil to injure and kill kids for profit of the vaccine manufacturers. Our society is sick. Kids are innocent, whether their parents are or aren’t, whether the parents are ignorant or not. I’m deeply disturbed by the push to get kids vaccinated with something that can permanently ruin their health or kill them, over a virus that has basically zero chance of killing the kid. It’s a clown world order.

The people with great power take no responsibility in killing people with their medicines, like Pfizer has done well before the vaccines. We live in a sick, sick world.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

So you’re saying pharmacists and big pharma take advantage of people’s ignorance like street drug dealers do?

Is taking advantage of someone who isn’t a professional in health an ok thing to do? That seems like a very predatory mind state, and it seems very unkind to your fellow man. Considering how most of the gov and media and corporations lied about both the safety and effectiveness of the vaccines, it really seems like you are saying it’s ok to lie and mislead people who aren’t medical pros in order to sell a product that could seriously injure or kill them. But it’s all good, because it’s for profit, right? It’s ok to lie and mislead people to make sure they get that injection, right?

Did I say "it's all good?" I don't think so. I accept reality for what it is. Honda didn't disclose to me that ".0065% of our cars turn turn out to be lemons?" T-Mobile didn't disclose to me that "our business model is to keep updating software to ensure that 97% of our phones will no longer function properly in 2-3 years?"

That father had the opportunity to read his VIS and (probably) didn't. That father had the opportunity read about the side effects of the most covered drug/event in the history of mankind and didn't. Even if he did read about the cases of myocarditis, do you think he would have refused the vax based on ".008% of teens get myocarditis, with most cases being mild and 95% of the cases resolving themselves within 30 days?" Perhaps you think the pharmacist is supposed to sit down with this father and go over all the assorted adverse effects compare those against the same symptoms in covid patients. I'd say that's an unrealistic expectation, given that he probably didn't read the VIS in the first place. Do you think people are going to sit around for an hour for medical presentation to get a 30 second shot? Would you care if this was the Flu shot? Why didn't the father take time out of his day to educate himself before hand? Are you saying big pharma is responsible individual's choosing to be ignorant or lazy?

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

So you feel that people are so incompetent, they cannot be trusted to make their own medical decisions even when provided (as by law) with all the information necessary?

Obviously you feel the government should not and cannot (capably) make these decisions for people.

If the people can’t be trusted and the government shouldn’t do it, who makes the decisions?
Is it the AI that you do vehemently object to?

Ironically, people are more than qualified to decide not to take the vax, but then suddenly aren't qualified when it comes to taking the vax. Odd how that works.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Well, it would help people make better decisions if the media was honest about the risks and dangers of the vaccine, but they’re not. Many people were forced to take part in an experiment where the capability and safety of the product were completely lied about from the beginning.

It’s a whole step up in evil to injure and kill kids for profit of the vaccine manufacturers. Our society is sick. Kids are innocent, whether their parents are or aren’t, whether the parents are ignorant or not. I’m deeply disturbed by the push to get kids vaccinated with something that can permanently ruin their health or kill them, over a virus that has basically zero chance of killing the kid. It’s a clown world order.

The people with great power take no responsibility in killing people with their medicines, like Pfizer has done well before the vaccines. We live in a sick, sick world.

Interesting. So what lies we were told? The freaking data from the trials were made public; IIRC before the vax was even approved. There are mountains upon mountains of data available to the public.

You've whining about myocarditis which is an immune reaction that can happen in response to any infection or vaccine. "We" got our children vaxxed because it's overwhelming clear that the risk to their health from Covid is higher than the risk from the vax. Cases of myocarditis are less sever and less frequent with the vax vs Covid - that's why people are vaxxing their kids.

Despite the accusations that the vaxxed were duped by some sort of disinformation campaign, it's the anti-vaxxers who continue to spread disinformation, spread fear and present data out of context.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Did I say "it's all good?" I don't think so. I accept reality for what it is. Honda didn't disclose to me that ".0065% of our cars turn turn out to be lemons?" T-Mobile didn't disclose to me that "our business model is to keep updating software to ensure that 97% of our phones will no longer function properly in 2-3 years?"

That father had the opportunity to read his VIS and (probably) didn't. That father had the opportunity read about the side effects of the most covered drug/event in the history of mankind and didn't. Even if he did read about the cases of myocarditis, do you think he would have refused the vax based on ".008% of teens get myocarditis, with most cases being mild and 95% of the cases resolving themselves within 30 days?" Perhaps you think the pharmacist is supposed to sit down with this father and go over all the assorted adverse effects compare those against the same symptoms in covid patients. I'd say that's an unrealistic expectation, given that he probably didn't read the VIS in the first place. Do you think people are going to sit around for an hour for medical presentation to get a 30 second shot? Would you care if this was the Flu shot? Why didn't the father take time out of his day to educate himself before hand? Are you saying big pharma is responsible individual's choosing to be ignorant or lazy?

Yes, medicine should be treated very carefully. You obviously didn’t listen to the full recording, because the father didn’t take the child to get vaccinated.

We’re talking about people’s lives and bodies dude, not the car industry. Not remotely close to the same thing. Injuring someone’s body causes permanent suffering, and for what?

If doctors don’t have time to explain medication to the patients, then the system is broken. People’s bodies aren’t an industry cow to profit from. Big pharma and allopathic medicine is all about drug dealing for profits, and that’s why our healthcare in this nation is trash, and I would f*cking know.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Yes, medicine should be treated very carefully. You obviously didn’t listen to the full recording, because the father didn’t take the child to get vaccinated.

We’re talking about people’s lives and bodies dude, not the car industry. Not remotely close to the same thing. Injuring someone’s body causes permanent suffering, and for what?

If doctors don’t have time to explain medication to the patients, then the system is broken. People’s bodies aren’t an industry cow to profit from. Big pharma and allopathic medicine is all about drug dealing for profits, and that’s why our healthcare in this nation is trash, and I would f*cking know.

I read the transcript. Rereading it, it reads and sounds like a hit piece, a fictional re-enactment. Maybe the father (aka actor) is just bad at math and doesn't realize 10s of thousands out of 100s of millions is actually very rare indeed. You would think the pharmacist would know the math. The fact that he quotes the debunked 20% fatality rate that was widely circulated in the anti-vax echo chamber is probably not coincidence. My wife works in a cardio department, there is no way we would have had the kids vaxxed if there was that high of death rate from myocarditis. It's odd that you're concerned to "exaggerations" about the vaccine from pro-vaxxers, but have a blind spot for exaggeration when it comes from anti-vaxxers. The fact that no info is provided that one could use to confirm or debunk this call is telling.

I have news for you, but the people's bodies are indeed an industry cow to profit from. As a matter of fact it's ~20% of the US economy, which I would assume makes it the #1 industry in the US. You don't have to like it, but that's how it is. Profit motive even exists in countries with socialized medicine. I'm not sure why you would expect healthcare to not operate like the rest of the world does. I can complain about gravity all day long, but it's not going away and it's still going to hurt when I fall.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

I read the transcript. Rereading it, it reads and sounds like a hit piece, a fictional re-enactment. Maybe the father (aka actor) is just bad at math and doesn't realize 10s of thousands out of 100s of millions is actually very rare indeed. You would think the pharmacist would know the math. The fact that he quotes the debunked 20% fatality rate that was widely circulated in the anti-vax echo chamber is probably not coincidence. My wife works in a cardio department, there is no way we would have had the kids vaxxed if there was that high of death rate from myocarditis. It's odd that you're concerned to "exaggerations" about the vaccine from pro-vaxxers, but have a blind spot for exaggeration when it comes from anti-vaxxers. The fact that no info is provided that one could use to confirm or debunk this call is telling.

I have news for you, but the people's bodies are indeed an industry cow to profit from. As a matter of fact it's ~20% of the US economy, which I would assume makes it the #1 industry in the US. You don't have to like it, but that's how it is. Profit motive even exists in countries with socialized medicine. I'm not sure why you would expect healthcare to not operate like the rest of the world does. I can complain about gravity all day long, but it's not going away and it's still going to hurt when I fall.

How is he an actor? Sounds like you’re just making that up.

That’s the problem is nobody gives a f*ck about anyone else. People are just seen as ways to make money. A herd of animals to be culled. It’s heartless, and that’s why our nation and the world is failing and falling into war. People wanna argue into infinity, but it really doesn’t matter, because nobody actually cares about one another. There’s nothing guiding most people but money and power, and we’ll all fall due to that. Big pharma is incredibly evil.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

'Mick noted that the “smaller-size orders have never been so popular.”

“I would like to mention that all casket sales are up dramatically in the last two years, call it what you will, magic or the vaccine, but something has happened that is causing unprecedented amount of deaths,” Mick said.'

‘According to Mick, in a normal year between 50 to 60 child coffins would be sold. However, just in the last eight months, sales have shot up to around 450 child-size caskets.’

Canadian casket maker says demand for child-size coffins has increased 'dramatically' since 2020 - LifeSite

'All casket sales are up dramatically in the last two years, call it what you will, magic or the vaccine, but something has happened that is causing unprecedented amount of deaths.'

www.lifesitenews.com

Mick also said: 'All casket sales are up dramatically in the last two years, call it what you will, magic or the vaccine, but something has happened that is causing unprecedented amount of deaths.'

Gee what could that be. Personally, I can't think of anything other than magic or the vaccine either and since I don't believe in magic. Somehow they have hidden an 8-900% increase in childhood death. Between the child trafficking and the vaccine it's a miracle there are any kids left.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

How is he an actor? Sounds like you’re just making that up.

That’s the problem is nobody gives a f*ck about anyone else. People are just seen as ways to make money. A herd of animals to be culled. It’s heartless, and that’s why our nation and the world is failing and falling into war. People wanna argue into infinity, but it really doesn’t matter, because nobody actually cares about one another. There’s nothing guiding most people but money and power, and we’ll all fall due to that. Big pharma is incredibly evil.

It does sound like I'm just making that up. Do you hold our anti-vaxxer father to the same standard you're holding me to???

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Mick also said: 'All casket sales are up dramatically in the last two years, call it what you will, magic or the vaccine, but something has happened that is causing unprecedented amount of deaths.'

Gee what could that be. Personally, I can't think of anything other than magic or the vaccine either and since I don't believe in magic. Somehow they have hidden an 8-900% increase in childhood death. Between the child trafficking and the vaccine it's a miracle there are any kids left.

They have hidden it; they lie about the causes of deaths. There’s a lot of money to be lost if people think the vaccines are causing problems, so actual vaccine injuries or related deaths tend to get labeled as something else, from what I’ve seen. It’s a giant cash cow. There’s a lot of information out there that’s censored off most media forms, unfortunately.

It does sound like I'm just making that up. Do you hold our anti-vaxxer father to the same standard you're holding me to???

I have no idea what you’re talking about.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

So the polio vaccine caused the current outbreak? Am I reading this correctly?

'Genetic analysis of a polio virus sample from the patient indicates that it was picked up from a person who had received the oral polio vaccine, which has not been used in the U.S. since 2000, health officials said.

The oral vaccine contains a weakened live polio virus. "If allowed to circulate in under- or unimmunized populations for long enough … the virus can revert to a form that can cause illness and paralysis in other people," the CDC says.'

MSN

The polio vaccine caused a polio outbreak way back when the first started administering it. If only they had something like an mRNA vaccine for polio.