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[Buck 5,000+ posts]

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

I get what you're saying and I can't speak for anybody else's reasons for or against...i legitimately didn't feel threatened enough to need a vax...i don't believe it's 100% safe (no vaccine or medication for that fact is) and I don't believe there's a conspiracy around it (although it's fun to play devil's advocate occasionally)...and I have no clue of it effectiveness, too many on the extreme from both sides blur up most of the useful data...like I said, this just me and my thoughts/opinions on it...I do think too many politicians from all levels took advantage of covid and push too hard on the people in a an blatant power grab...too many said one thing and got caught doing the opposite ...

CDC did do a poor job presenting the case for the vaccine. IE it was CDC that released and republished data revealing how ineffective the mask could be without bothering to explain even a small change in the infection rate can have a huge effect over time. Fauci did a piss poor job too, basically his message was "wear the mask, take the vax because I say so."

But where I do draw the line is when the anti-vax crowd resorted to disinformation campaigns.

Unfortunately, that leaves us regular joes in the position of having to fact check the information being put out there. Luckily CDC did put out tons of information if you were willing to do some sifting. Everything I saw indicated your chances were 100-1000 better if you got vaxed vs got covid. One thing I learned going thru all that data is a lot of the effects of covid or side effects of the vaccine are your immune systems going bonkers and wrecking havoc on you body. So the vaccine would trigger the same immune response (as it should), but to a lesser extent.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

I wish every one of them that use insider knowledge would get the hammer...

Agreed. This is part of the reason I don't buy into conspiracy theories - why do they need to sneak around in back alleys when they're constantly getting away with this shit out in the open???

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

The cdc didn't too bad of job putting up raw info...they really could've made it a lot more user friendly...fauci was terrible as the front man...way too arrogant and hungry for TV spots imo...

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

The cdc didn't too bad of job putting up raw info...they really could've made it a lot more user friendly...fauci was terrible as the front man...way too arrogant and hungry for TV spots imo...

CDC did a great job putting out raw data, but their website isn't user friendly at all. Agreed on Fauci. IMHO, he was a lot like Trump and enjoyed being in the spotlight way too much. He'd be on every network everyday saying the same old shyt he said the day before and the day before and the day before.

 

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[Bobbytwonames 5,000+ posts]

Trying to force people to take an experimental injection really borders on a war crime, since the long term effects still aren’t known. It’s absolutely absurd; that’s mass medical experimentation with an unproven to be safe technology. That’s thoroughly illegal to mandate it with only EUA approval through executive order. It’s absolutely evil and has nothing to do with caring about people.

Full FDA approval. What is your argument now?

COVID-19 Vaccine: What You Need to Know

Now that COVID-19 vaccines are authorized, here are the facts you need now.

www.hopkinsmedicine.org

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Full FDA approval. What is your argument now?

Ultimately, when you sort thru all the facts, data, possible outcomes, etc, the no-vax crowd is left with only one "out," which is we don't know the long term effects. Of course the same is true of actual Covid and all the data indicates actual Covid is much worse than the vax, so there is no real reason to believe the same wouldn't apply to long term effects. That or conspiracy theories. It's really sad to see that conspiracy theories have become mainstream political positions; false flag school massacres, stolen elections, 5g + covid vaccine = certain death, democrats are running some sort of child trafficking operation out of a pizza shop. While the left seems less willing to go down the conspiracy rabbit hole, I do find the left and BLM's claims of "systemic racism" to be rather offensive, harmful and destructive.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

AVOIDING it.
Toss a person off a building and watch what their body does.
They will not stop themselves from hitting the ground, but they’ll damn sure try to avoid it. Literally clutching at air to stop the fall.
Even people who jump to commit ******* will do it. It’s in our programming.

Kind of like ****... why do we get mad at people who do it? It's part of our programming, which is to procreate. Didn't see that one coming did ya?

Some of our programming is a little strong. Some peoples programs have caught viruses and infected their common sense and better judgment.

Before Bobby chimes in an volunteers me to be AN advocate of ****... I was merely making a point on the topic of deep rooted human programming. I am not an advocate of ****. Sad that I even have to clarify that but some people are that slow.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Kind of like ****... why do we get mad at people who do it? It's part of our programming, which is to procreate. Didn't see that one coming did ya?

Some of our programming is a little strong. Some peoples programs have caught viruses and infected their common sense and better judgment.

Before Bobby chimes in an volunteers me to be AN advocate of ****... I was merely making a point on the topic of deep rooted human programming. I am not an advocate of ****. Sad that I even have to clarify that but some people are that slow.

You think **** is part of our programming? That’s interesting when you don’t even believe a **** can happen unless you’ve witnessed it personally. Actually, it’s more weird than interesting.

Common sense and better judgement have been lacking in people for a long time. It’s grown exponentially in the past half decade it seems, and is a lot easier to show publicly that one is deficient.
Witness some people who pattern their beliefs on memes, YouTube videos, Twitter posts, etc. that they see on the interwebz, while staunchly refusing to belief facts, data, evidence, statistics.
Weird world we live in.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

You think **** is part of our programming? That’s interesting when you don’t even believe a **** can happen unless you’ve witnessed it personally. Actually, it’s more weird than interesting.

Common sense and better judgement have been lacking in people for a long time. It’s grown exponentially in the past half decade it seems, and is a lot easier to show publicly that one is deficient.
Witness some people who pattern their beliefs on memes, YouTube videos, Twitter posts, etc. that they see on the interwebz, while staunchly refusing to belief facts, data, evidence, statistics.
Weird world we live in.

It's almost like the more intertwined we get, the stupider we get. Maybe it's some sort of natural ticking time bomb so we destroy ourselves before we destroy the planet.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

You think **** is part of our programming? That’s interesting when you don’t even believe a **** can happen unless you’ve witnessed it personally. Actually, it’s more weird than interesting.

Common sense and better judgement have been lacking in people for a long time. It’s grown exponentially in the past half decade it seems, and is a lot easier to show publicly that one is deficient.
Witness some people who pattern their beliefs on memes, YouTube videos, Twitter posts, etc. that they see on the interwebz, while staunchly refusing to belief facts, data, evidence, statistics.
Weird world we live in.

**** is unwanted ****** intercourse. Broken all the way down, it is ***. *** is programmed in humans to procreate. As twisted as it is... I suppose yes, it is part of our programming. How much **** would there be if nobody got in trouble for it?

I never said **** CAN'T HAPPEN UNLESS I SEE IT. I said I cannot convict someone of **** based on an accusation of ****. So yes, if I don't see the ****, I cannot convict a person of it.

 

[Bobbytwonames 5,000+ posts]

**** is unwanted ****** intercourse. Broken all the way down, it is ***. *** is programmed in humans to procreate. As twisted as it is... I suppose yes, it is part of our programming. How much **** would there be if nobody got in trouble for it?

I never said **** CAN'T HAPPEN UNLESS I SEE IT. I said I cannot convict someone of **** based on an accusation of ****. So yes, if I don't see the ****, I cannot convict a person of it.

How would you ever see a ****? Please explain.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

How would you ever see a ****? Please explain.

With
My
Two
Functioning
Human
Eyes.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

**** is unwanted ****** intercourse. Broken all the way down, it is ***. *** is programmed in humans to procreate. As twisted as it is... I suppose yes, it is part of our programming. How much **** would there be if nobody got in trouble for it?

I never said **** CAN'T HAPPEN UNLESS I SEE IT. I said I cannot convict someone of **** based on an accusation of ****. So yes, if I don't see the ****, I cannot convict a person of it.

My guess is that if we didn’t get in trouble for it, people still wouldn’t do it.
Studies have shown humans are born with an innate goodness.
I’d also bet a nickel that if **** became a “thing”, women would adapt and evolve, developing skills (or who knows what) to prevent or reduce the occurrence. It’s what we animals do…