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[RobGMN Premium Member]

Can a 4 year old live independently without adult intervention/care? No they cannot. Even scientist arguing cloning have agreed that life begins at conception. https://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes2.html

Obviously its not "life" since we all know a baby, children, most teenagers and some adults can't survive without other taking care of them.

https://www.icr.org/article/cloning-redefining-when-life-begins-exposing-flaws or the pdf https://www.icr.org/i/pdf/imp/imp-310.pdf and its argued and even considering Davis vs Davis, they give a 14 day window of pre-embryo to embryo, which is already agreed in the scientific community, to have created life.

Using the argument of "independent of the host" is a poor argument at best. Really, those that just support abortion, ie killing of unborn children, tout that support proudly. Say it out loud to yourself, "I thinking killing an unborn child is perfectly justifiable and is morally acceptable."

To each his own, but those that support abortion really don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to any argument concerning doing XY and Z to "save a life," it simply a moral decision they have made.

Except that there is more to the equation than just an “unborn child”. There is the host/mother who carries that child and is it’s life support system for 36 weeks until it can survive on its own.

What the anti-abortinists think is that the host/mother should no longer have a say in what happens to her own body, simply because there is a ***** growing in it.

Flip the script: What if you were told that because you impregnated a woman, you no longer had a right to choose what happened to your own body? Want a tat? Nope. Want that elective surgery that is risky? Nope.
Want to go have *** with another woman? Not allowed. Your body is not yours.

An extreme example, but it speaks to the reality of Roe v Wade. I wonder how many male anti-abortionists woul be willing and happy to rescind control of their body to legislation like we may see.
Legislation that is not even the decision of the MAJORITY of our country.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Except that there is more to the equation than just an “unborn child”. There is the host/mother who carries that child and is it’s life support system for 36 weeks until it can survive on its own.

What the anti-abortinists think is that the host/mother should no longer have a say in what happens to her own body, simply because there is a ***** growing in it.

Flip the script: What if you were told that because you impregnated a woman, you no longer had a right to choose what happened to your own body? Want a tat? Nope. Want that elective surgery that is risky? Nope.
Want to go have *** with another woman? Not allowed. Your body is not yours.

An extreme example, but it speaks to the reality of Roe v Wade. I wonder how many male anti-abortionists woul be willing and happy to rescind control of their body to legislation like we may see.
Legislation that is not even the decision of the MAJORITY of our country.

In most abortions, the woman chose to take that cock, end of story. Don’t punish the baby for a whore mother. Her decision was made when she took that cock all up inside of her. What, do you think she didn’t know what was going on?

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

In most abortions, the woman chose to take that cock, end of story. Don’t punish the baby for a whore mother. Her decision was made when she took that cock all up inside of her. What, do you think she didn’t know what was going on?

MOST is where your argument immediately falls flat. Just like the whole argument that one's s*x organs alone determine whether someone is female or male.
You are basing your argument on changing the past. "She SHOULD have done this". Not how real life works, big talker.

I will guarantee with 100% certainty that if you managed to actually get near a woman and accidentally knocked her up, you'd change your tune about abortion. Just like everyone else who opposes it so strongly. All talk until you have to walk the walk.

How many unwanted children have you adopted? How much time do you spend providing care for unwanted children? Do you volunteer time at orphanages?
Do you advocate for the unwanted births in any way, or does your virtue signaling end once the abortion is prevented?

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

*** has but ONE biological function. Procreation. If a penis enters a vag and ejaculates, the pregnancy is not an accident, it is what is supposed to happen. It "feels good" to encourage humans to procreate. Anyone claiming "accident" when they get pregnant is an idiot through and through.

I also agree that in most cases the woman chose to have ***. For whatever reasons she convinced herself would make a good excuse to get an abortion later is on her. I am 100% positive that the ratio of abortions to **** are not 1:1. In fact I bet the actual percentage of woman getting an abortion because of a legitimate **** are less than 5% of all abortions.

Side note... Rob... do you think someones "feelings" determine if they are a male or female?

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

*** has but ONE biological function. Procreation. If a penis enters a vag and ejaculates, the pregnancy is not an accident, it is what is supposed to happen. It "feels good" to encourage humans to procreate. Anyone claiming "accident" when they get pregnant is an idiot through and through.

I also agree that in most cases the woman chose to have ***. For whatever reasons she convinced herself would make a good excuse to get an abortion later is on her. I am 100% positive that the ratio of abortions to **** are not 1:1. In fact I bet the actual percentage of woman getting an abortion because of a legitimate **** are less than 5% of all abortions.

Side note... Rob... do you think someones "feelings" determine if they are a male or female?

You’ve just reduced it all strictly to biological function, which means humans are no different than animals.
A zebra kills and eats a pregnant gazelle without the gazelle’s authorization. That’s the animal world. Since you just put us squarely in the animal world with your argument, a woman choosing to abort the ***** in her own body by her own choice is fully acceptable.

So 5% of women who are impregnated due to **** should have to carry to term in order to prevent all other women from getting abortions? Interesting. Does that mean since Bucks medical condition only affects a small number of people, no treatment should be allowed?

Yes, someone’s brain can determine if they are make it female. Some people are born with male AND female organs. Their brain tells them whether they are male or female.
Some are born with no organs. Their brain tells them they are male or female.

Explain how I am wrong, if you think I am.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

You’ve just reduced it all strictly to biological function, which means humans are no different than animals.
A zebra kills and eats a pregnant gazelle without the gazelle’s authorization. That’s the animal world. Since you just put us squarely in the animal world with your argument, a woman choosing to abort the ***** in her own body by her own choice is fully acceptable.

So 5% of women who are impregnated due to **** should have to carry to term in order to prevent all other women from getting abortions? Interesting. Does that mean since Bucks medical condition only affects a small number of people, no treatment should be allowed?

Yes, someone’s brain can determine if they are make it female. Some people are born with male AND female organs. Their brain tells them whether they are male or female.
Some are born with no organs. Their brain tells them they are male or female.

Explain how I am wrong, if you think I am.

Humans are animals. Mammals actually. Prove me wrong.

*** IS biologically just for reproduction. Prove me wrong.

I don't know how you are processing it in your head with the Zebra eating Gazelles and whatnot but there is a reason we are not "wild animals" though some of us act that way. I never made an argument about aborting a ***** or about if I think it is acceptable or not. Side note... what kind of scary asss Zebras you looking at???

5% of women impregnated "due to ****"... what about the other 95% impregnated due to ****? I will assume you were speaking of the 5% or less of ALL abortions that I said may be from legitimate rapes. If a woman is ***** and the means exist to remove the ****** DNA... yes, abort the *****.

No, the brain does not make that determination Rob. We are also not speaking about genetic mutations such as organless or those having both organs. We are speaking on normal development of males and females. Males produce sperm which has but one use. To seek an egg to fertilize. As the ***** is developing in the FEMALE womb the genitalia form before full brain development. The ***** CAN NOT choose what it is going to be.

When you speak of someones brain "telling them" if they are male or female you are not speaking of what physically makes a person male or female. Now you are in the realm of psychological disorders. That is why I think you are incorrect. If a 10 year old that has a functioning penis says he is a girl because that's how he feels and thinks that is a disorder of the brain and does not change fact that he is a physical male. I am not saying he cannot call himself Sarah instead of Scott. That is his choice but does not change biology no matter how much he wishes it.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Humans are animals. Mammals actually. Prove me wrong.
Who argued they aren’t? Red herring.

*** IS biologically just for reproduction. Prove me wrong.
Who said it isn’t? Red herring.

I don't know how you are processing it in your head with the Zebra eating Gazelles and whatnot but there is a reason we are not "wild animals" though some of us act that way. I never made an argument about aborting a ***** or about if I think it is acceptable or not. Side note... what kind of scary asss Zebras you looking at???
We are self-aware, which is what separates us from the animal kingdom, but YOU are the one who said that *** is strictly for reproduction, which means we are no different than the animals. Yet isn't it weird that sterile people still have a desire to have ***? They can't reproduce
Zebras. LMFAO. I was thinking of lion eating Zebra, then gazelle came to mind. Hence, killer zrbras eating gazelles.

5% of women impregnated "due to ****"... what about the other 95% impregnated due to ****? I will assume you were speaking of the 5% or less of ALL rapes that I said may be from legitimate rapes. If a woman is ***** and the means exist to remove the ****** DNA... yes, abort the *****.
95%+5% = 100% of women impregnated are due to ****? I understood what you meant. But the argument of abort the **** ***** but not a non-**** ***** goes contrary to the whole anti-abortion theme. Anti-abortion means anti abortion because all zygotes are sacred humans (as they will argue).

No, the brain does not make that determination Rob. We are also not speaking about genetic mutations such as organless or those having both organs. We are speaking on normal development of males and females. Males produce sperm which has but one use. To seek an egg to fertilize. As the ***** is developing in the FEMALE womb the genitalia form before full brain development. The ***** CAN NOT choose what it is going to be.
If the brain does not make the determination of who we are sexually, then how do you explain the "genetic mutations"? Both types exist. "Ambiguous genitalia" occurs in about 1% of all births, That's 3,850 PER DAY. So, again I'll ask: If the reproductive organ is what defines a person's sexuality, what happens with those people who who do not have specificity of organs? Are you suggesting their brain is not the deciding factor in whether they are male or female?
If not the brain, is it determined by the parents? The government? A skills test?

When you speak of someones brain "telling them" if they are male or female you are not speaking of what physically makes a person male or female. Now you are in the realm of psychological disorders. That is why I think you are incorrect. If a 10 year old that has a functioning penis says he is a girl because that's how he feels and thinks that is a disorder of the brain and does not change fact that he is a physical male. I am not saying he cannot call himself Sarah instead of Scott. That is his choice but does not change biology no matter how much he wishes it.
This is answered above, but it seems like you are saying that the organ on the body determines more what a person's *** is than their brain. And it totally discounts the MANY people that are born ambiguous. You're saying that a person without specificity of organs HAS no ****** identity because their brain does not determine their identity, it's simply their body parts. You've just argued even harder that we are simply animals.
So, the man who is gay should just be with and impregnate women, because he has a piener. It doesn't matter that in his mind, he is attracted to men and has no interest in women. Interesting.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Humans are animals. Mammals actually. Prove me wrong.
Who argued they aren’t? Red herring.

*** IS biologically just for reproduction. Prove me wrong.
Who said it isn’t? Red herring.

I don't know how you are processing it in your head with the Zebra eating Gazelles and whatnot but there is a reason we are not "wild animals" though some of us act that way. I never made an argument about aborting a ***** or about if I think it is acceptable or not. Side note... what kind of scary asss Zebras you looking at???
We are self-aware, which is what separates us from the animal kingdom, but YOU are the one who said that *** is strictly for reproduction, which means we are no different than the animals.
Zebras. LMFAO. I was thinking of lion eating Zebra, then gazelle came to mind. Hence, killer zrbras eating gazelles.

5% of women impregnated "due to ****"... what about the other 95% impregnated due to ****? I will assume you were speaking of the 5% or less of ALL rapes that I said may be from legitimate rapes. If a woman is ***** and the means exist to remove the ****** DNA... yes, abort the *****.
95%+5% = 100% of women impregnated are due to ****? I understood what you meant. But the argument of abort the **** ***** but not a non-**** ***** goes contrary to the whole anti-abortion theme. Anti-abortion means anti abortion because all zygotes are sacred humans (as they will argue).

No, the brain does not make that determination Rob. We are also not speaking about genetic mutations such as organless or those having both organs. We are speaking on normal development of males and females. Males produce sperm which has but one use. To seek an egg to fertilize. As the ***** is developing in the FEMALE womb the genitalia form before full brain development. The ***** CAN NOT choose what it is going to be.
If the brain does not make the determination of who we are sexually, then how do you explain the "genetic mutations"? Both types exist. "Ambiguous genitalia" occurs in about 1% of all births, That's 3,850 PER DAY. So, again I'll ask: If the reproductive organ is what defines a person's sexuality, what happens with those people who who do not have specificity of organs? Are you suggesting their brain is not the deciding factor in whether they are male or female?
If not the brain, is it determined by the parents? The government? A skills test?

When you speak of someones brain "telling them" if they are male or female you are not speaking of what physically makes a person male or female. Now you are in the realm of psychological disorders. That is why I think you are incorrect. If a 10 year old that has a functioning penis says he is a girl because that's how he feels and thinks that is a disorder of the brain and does not change fact that he is a physical male. I am not saying he cannot call himself Sarah instead of Scott. That is his choice but does not change biology no matter how much he wishes it.
This is answered above, but it seems like you are saying that the organ on the body determines more what a person's *** is than their brain. And it totally discounts the MANY people that are born ambiguous. You're saying that a person without specificity of organs HAS no ****** identity because their brain does not determine their identity, it's simply their body parts. You've just argued even harder that we are simply animals.
So, the man who is gay should just be with and impregnate women, because he has a piener. It doesn't matter that in his mind, he is attracted to men and has no interest in women. Interesting.

I had to edit my post and apparently while you were already responding. So the 5% **** thing may make more sense if you re-read it.

Please stop with the red herring stuff. If we are having a legit discussion then both sides have merit.

When it comes to ****** intercourse we are no different than wild animals as it is for the same thing, reproduction. Yes, this is what I meant. Science doesn't change because we are self aware. Science is supported by fact. We are animals, fact.

Of 100% of abortions I think the number is less than 5% of those pregnancies are from a legit ****. I see no reason not to allow the removal of THOSE fetuses. As for all other abortions... Single lady? Her call.

The brain does NOT determine our ***. It may determine how we FEEL sexually or how we WANT to identify but your biology is what it is. As I said, a genetic mutation is a mutation, a deviation from what we would normally develop into biologically and science already has terminology for those mutations. I am talking about normally developed humans. The brain is not a factor in ***. When you speak of the brains roll in ****** identity it is literally mental. Not physical.

If a person chooses to call themselves a girl when they were born a biological male then I do not think they should have rights as a female. This works both ways of course. Call yourself whatever you want but it is literally your choice and yours alone and nobody else should have to participate in that choice if they don't want to and there should be NO legal ramifications for making the choice not to participate in that persons delusion. These are my feelings. I want to identify as a heterosexual male and I expect no bigotry for it. I am not a female and I expect no rights as one.

If people want to be gay, then be gay. You like what you like. Don't try to change they system with lies though.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

"The difficulty in producing genetically modified human embryonic stem cells (hESCs) limits research on their applications. Virus-based gene transfer is not safe for clinical use, whereas DNAbased non-viral methods are not efficient or safe, and mRNA-based methods are useful for genetic manipulation. In this study, we easily obtained multiple types and large amounts of in vitro-synthesized mRNA by PCR. The efficiency of different transfection methods was studied by flow cytometry. The effect of different mRNA modifications on protein translation efficiency and dynamics of luciferase mRNA expression in hESCs were studied using a bioluminescence imaging system. The pluripotency of hESCs after transfection was studied by immunofluorescence. In vitro-synthesized pancreatic-duodenal homeobox 1 (PDX1) mRNA was used to induce the differentiation of hESCs into insulin-producing cells."

Gene Manipulation of Human Embryonic Stem Cells by In Vitro-Synthesized mRNA for Gene Therapy - PubMed

The difficulty in producing genetically modified human embryonic stem cells (hESCs) limits research on their applications. Virus-based gene transfer is not safe for clinical use, whereas DNAbased non-viral methods are not efficient or safe, and mRNA-based methods are useful for genetic...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Humans are animals. Mammals actually. Prove me wrong.
Who argued they aren’t? Red herring.

*** IS biologically just for reproduction. Prove me wrong.
Who said it isn’t? Red herring.

I don't know how you are processing it in your head with the Zebra eating Gazelles and whatnot but there is a reason we are not "wild animals" though some of us act that way. I never made an argument about aborting a ***** or about if I think it is acceptable or not. Side note... what kind of scary asss Zebras you looking at???
We are self-aware, which is what separates us from the animal kingdom, but YOU are the one who said that *** is strictly for reproduction, which means we are no different than the animals. Yet isn't it weird that sterile people still have a desire to have ***? They can't reproduce
Zebras. LMFAO. I was thinking of lion eating Zebra, then gazelle came to mind. Hence, killer zrbras eating gazelles.

5% of women impregnated "due to ****"... what about the other 95% impregnated due to ****? I will assume you were speaking of the 5% or less of ALL rapes that I said may be from legitimate rapes. If a woman is ***** and the means exist to remove the ****** DNA... yes, abort the *****.
95%+5% = 100% of women impregnated are due to ****? I understood what you meant. But the argument of abort the **** ***** but not a non-**** ***** goes contrary to the whole anti-abortion theme. Anti-abortion means anti abortion because all zygotes are sacred humans (as they will argue).

No, the brain does not make that determination Rob. We are also not speaking about genetic mutations such as organless or those having both organs. We are speaking on normal development of males and females. Males produce sperm which has but one use. To seek an egg to fertilize. As the ***** is developing in the FEMALE womb the genitalia form before full brain development. The ***** CAN NOT choose what it is going to be.
If the brain does not make the determination of who we are sexually, then how do you explain the "genetic mutations"? Both types exist. "Ambiguous genitalia" occurs in about 1% of all births, That's 3,850 PER DAY. So, again I'll ask: If the reproductive organ is what defines a person's sexuality, what happens with those people who who do not have specificity of organs? Are you suggesting their brain is not the deciding factor in whether they are male or female?
If not the brain, is it determined by the parents? The government? A skills test?

When you speak of someones brain "telling them" if they are male or female you are not speaking of what physically makes a person male or female. Now you are in the realm of psychological disorders. That is why I think you are incorrect. If a 10 year old that has a functioning penis says he is a girl because that's how he feels and thinks that is a disorder of the brain and does not change fact that he is a physical male. I am not saying he cannot call himself Sarah instead of Scott. That is his choice but does not change biology no matter how much he wishes it.
This is answered above, but it seems like you are saying that the organ on the body determines more what a person's *** is than their brain. And it totally discounts the MANY people that are born ambiguous. You're saying that a person without specificity of organs HAS no ****** identity because their brain does not determine their identity, it's simply their body parts. You've just argued even harder that we are simply animals.
So, the man who is gay should just be with and impregnate women, because he has a piener. It doesn't matter that in his mind, he is attracted to men and has no interest in women. Interesting.

You’re brainwashed dude. If that’s a serious argument, you’re brainwashed.


Humans are only matter made mammals…if matter is all that you see.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

You’re brainwashed dude. If that’s a serious argument, you’re brainwashed.


Humans are only matter made mammals…if matter is all that you see.

"Brainwashed". Says the guy sitting in his LaZBoy chair all day, pretending he's a top-end sub box designer with a "$3,000 computer" to run simple spreadsheets, reading conspiracy fantasy bullshit, and battling the 5G injection that will turn him into a magnetic radio tower.
Wow.

 

[YourNameHere 10+ year member]

"Brainwashed". Says the guy sitting in his LaZBoy chair all day, pretending he's a top-end sub box designer with a "$3,000 computer" to run simple spreadsheets, reading conspiracy fantasy bullshit, and battling the 5G injection that will turn him into a magnetic radio tower.
Wow.

LOL WTF, are you an adult? Or just desperate to argue with somebody? And you call others childish yet post stuff like this...

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

LOL WTF, are you an adult? Or just desperate to argue with somebody?

Oh, I didn't realize this was the thread where we all post something, then give each other participation trophies.
I guess buck didn't realize that either. He argued with me instead of giving me a trophy!

 

[YourNameHere 10+ year member]

Oh ok.....lol

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

"Brainwashed". Says the guy sitting in his LaZBoy chair all day, pretending he's a top-end sub box designer with a "$3,000 computer" to run simple spreadsheets, reading conspiracy fantasy bullshit, and battling the 5G injection that will turn him into a magnetic radio tower.
Wow.

I wish I had a lazy boy, lol. Wanna buy me one so I can post here while sitting in it?

I was called one of the best car audio sub woofer box designers in the world, in 2013, by a dude with double PHD’s in audio engineering. Go f*ck yourself; my merit is earned.