Winners only.

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

If it wasn't creating an army of leftists who are fine with letting go of our freedoms to gain political power, Id almost hope the left continues to still not understand why Trump won in 2016. Id almost hope they still cling to the notion that it's about a single man, rather than that man's policies. The left is convinced that simply taking out that one man will quiet the right, because they think he is viewed as a messiah. The truth is he gained power because of his message of a less intrusive govt, less corruption in that govt, and getting the media out of bed with the political forces in this country and returning to a more unbiased fact-based reporting. Taking out one man wont stop the desire for those things to occur, no matter how much you want to convince yourself otherwise.

But seeing this trend continue only seems to create more people like Bobby who clearly are okay with seeking power by any means possible, because they are so convinced their political rivals are blind followers of evil, so it's okay to break the rules, or even remove the rules, to defeat evil. Again if there really is a cult mentality going on en masse, I think it's pretty clear which side it's really coming from.

 

[Slo_Ride 5,000+ posts]

What is this all about now?

Is Frank Drebin still President?

I really am done arguing with you morons. If you insist on being stupid I will just ignore you. Such ashame what this place has become. It is by far the dumbest and most embarrassing forum/website I've ever seen in my life

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

You are convinced Trump supporters are blind followers who view him as infallible and consider him the messiah. You claim sarcasm when I point this out, but these are all your words not mine, and you clearly do believe those comments. You know, one sign of a cult is convincing people that anyone who disagrees is brainwashed, maybe you should look in the mirror.

Like I said, Im surrounded by Trump supporters on a daily basis. You are obviously well insulated from them in your life, based on your comments. I've never heard one single Trump supporter refer to him as perfect, far from it. Sure once in a while I see some nutcase religious zealot on the internet say Trump was sent from God, but I've yet to meet a single one of those people irl. Most of his supporters I've talked to wished he would stay off twitter, wished he would stfu more, and generally talk about his *policies*, not how amazing a *person* he is.

The left, the dems, and most of the mainstream media were so hell bent on taking Trump down that they saturated us with lies about him. The Steele dossier and Russian collusion, the pee tape and Putin blackmailing him over it, that his supporters are all racists who hate minorities, that he called Neo Nazi's "very fine people"... all lies that they fed you, yet all I see you complaining about is how awful Trump, the man, is. Where is your anger over being blatantly lied to for 4+ years? Do you even follow the news enough at this point to see that heads are starting to roll over the Steele dossier, and that it was a fabrication based on "opposition research" from his political opponent that was then used to allow the Obama administration to wire tap Trump's campaign? Are you so hateful of Trump that you are willing to turn a blind eye to one political party weaponizing the FBI and justice dept to gain power in a national election? Again, if there is a cult here, maybe you are the one in it... win at any cost, right?

I'll speak to just one small part of this, which is "the lies that they fed" us about Trump.

Here's the thing I find odd. Someone(s) actually documented every single lie Trump told the American public. The list numbered well over 20,000. That's twenty THOUSAND. He was in office for 4 years., roughly 1,460 days.
That's an average of 13.6 lies per day being told to the American public. That alone would turn me away from any person I may have been a supporter of. But not Trump supporters. That is odd to me, but I am one who prefers honesty from a president.

I have actually had Trump supporters tell me they support him because he does things to piss people off. Maybe just me, but I think a leader should be using their time to do things that are uselful and lead to success. Wasting time doing things just to piss people off? No thanks. I will not be purchasing THAT company's stock.
And guess what? One of our "stocks" saw a dramatic decline in yield from 10/2018-8/2021. Admittedly, it's been steadily declining for a LONG time, but shorter term dropping yields indicate something important: fear the economy is going south.
Given his great boasts of the "best economy under any president, ever"...

 

[Slo_Ride 5,000+ posts]

I'll speak to just one small part of this, which is "the lies that they fed" us about Trump.

Here's the thing I find odd. Someone(s) actually documented every single lie Trump told the American public. The list numbered well over 20,000. That's twenty THOUSAND. He was in office for 4 years., roughly 1,460 days.
That's an average of 13.6 lies per day being told to the American public. That alone would turn me away from any person I may have been a supporter of. But not Trump supporters. That is odd to me, but I am one who prefers honesty from a president.

I have actually had Trump supporters tell me they support him because he does things to piss people off. Maybe just me, but I think a leader should be using their time to do things that are uselful and lead to success. Wasting time doing things just to piss people off? No thanks. I will not be purchasing THAT company's stock.
And guess what? One of our "stocks" saw a dramatic decline in yield from 10/2018-8/2021. Admittedly, it's been steadily declining for a LONG time, but shorter term dropping yields indicate something important: fear the economy is going south.
Given his great boasts of the "best economy under any president, ever"...

Stfu

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Stfu

I may have to if this thread really got locked.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

I'll speak to just one small part of this, which is "the lies that they fed" us about Trump.

Here's the thing I find odd. Someone(s) actually documented every single lie Trump told the American public. The list numbered well over 20,000. That's twenty THOUSAND. He was in office for 4 years., roughly 1,460 days.
That's an average of 13.6 lies per day being told to the American public. That alone would turn me away from any person I may have been a supporter of. But not Trump supporters. That is odd to me, but I am one who prefers honesty from a president.

I have actually had Trump supporters tell me they support him because he does things to piss people off. Maybe just me, but I think a leader should be using their time to do things that are uselful and lead to success. Wasting time doing things just to piss people off? No thanks. I will not be purchasing THAT company's stock.
And guess what? One of our "stocks" saw a dramatic decline in yield from 10/2018-8/2021. Admittedly, it's been steadily declining for a LONG time, but shorter term dropping yields indicate something important: fear the economy is going south.
Given his great boasts of the "best economy under any president, ever"...

I wont defend Trump's honesty, but I will say that lie list is propaganda. When he'd say something like "Im the least racist person ever", clearly just boasting hyperbole, it got added to the "lie list". If he said it 12 times in a speech, it got added to the list 12 times. And the nail in that coffin was when the journalist who started and compiled that list announced they would no longer produce such a list after Biden won, that's all you really need to know about the honest intentions of such a list.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

I wont defend Trump's honesty, but I will say that lie list is propaganda. When he'd say something like "Im the least racist person ever", clearly just boasting hyperbole, it got added to the "lie list". If he said it 12 times in a speech, it got added to the list 12 times. And the nail in that coffin was when the journalist who started and compiled that list announced they would no longer produce such a list after Biden won, that's all you really need to know about the honest intentions of such a list.

The man would not allow black workers on the floor of his casino when he visited with Ivana. he also said he wants jews in yarmulkes counting his money.
He admitted this publicly.
That makes the "I am the least racist person ever" quote a lie.
If he says the same lie a dozen times, does that mean he only really did it ONCE?

With just the sheer volume of Trump's lies. why even bother with a Biden list? There's no way to beat Trump. But if he IS lying so much, what is preventing anyone from making a similar list? Did the makers of the Trump list copyright the idea? Protect it in court?

It's like the complaint the the MSM is "unfair" or "unbalanced" in their reporting. What prevents the right-wing from having media outlets that report THEIR tilted news? Can they really only afford Fox and the YouTube OAN outlets? My guess is no. So...what's stopping them?

But here is something "funny" about saying the same lie more than once: "These kinds of deceptions are the tactics used by Hitler's Minister of Propaganda, Joseph Goebbels, who said, “If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth..."

Edited to add: The casino story (and more racist fun) are in the Congressional Record, not "made up lies" by the MSM - https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CREC-2016-09-26/html/CREC-2016-09-26-pt1-PgS6073-2.htm
"In the 1980s, Trump took his racism to Atlantic City. This is Donald
Trump at his best. He cheated, coerced, filed bankruptcy, did anything
he could to cheat people out of money. In the process, his racism came
to the forefront in Atlantic City. Trump was accused of making his
African-American employees move off the casino floor when he didn't
want to see them, which was any time he came to the casino. One
employee, Kip Brown, said:
When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would
order all the black people off the floor. It was the
eighties, I was a teenager, but I remember it: they put us
all in the back.
Trump was later fined $200,000 by the New Jersey Casino Control
Commission for that act of disgusting racism."

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

So why not continue the list for Biden? Because we'll just assume he lies less than Trump? We dont know if we dont compile a list. If the person who painstakenly made it for Trump wont even bother doing it for other politicians, how are we suppose to view the list as anything other than propaganda?

And if anyone took Trump saying things like "least racist person ever" seriously, then they are easily fooled, be it by believing him or by taking him as trying to speak factually. My mom use to say I was the cutest baby in the whole world, I guess I should have started a lie list for her.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

So why not continue the list for Biden? Because we'll just assume he lies less than Trump? We dont know if we dont compile a list. If the person who painstakenly made it for Trump wont even bother doing it for other politicians, how are we suppose to view the list as anything other than propaganda?

And if anyone took Trump saying things like "least racist person ever" seriously, then they are easily fooled, be it by believing him or by taking him as trying to speak factually. My mom use to say I was the cutest baby in the whole world, I guess I should have started a lie list for her.

So, you think people who donate to politicians should give to BOTH parties just to be "fair"? That is just plain ridiculous. You might as well demand a DA assist the defense in building their case.
The idea that the curators of the list may be pro-Democrat has NOTHING to do with the list they have created of easily verifiable quotes/lies that Trump has made. This list is the list no matter WHO made it.

Ahhh, now we are going to say that the lies are not really lies because we can decide what weight they carry in reality. Seems a bit like a backpedal. When he lied about the severity of COVID, does that get dismissed b/c we all "knew" it would be a big problem?

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

So, you think people who donate to politicians should give to BOTH parties just to be "fair"? That is just plain ridiculous. You might as well demand a DA assist the defense in building their case.
The idea that the curators of the list may be pro-Democrat has NOTHING to do with the list they have created of easily verifiable quotes/lies that Trump has made. This list is the list no matter WHO made it.

Ahhh, now we are going to say that the lies are not really lies because we can decide what weight they carry in reality. Seems a bit like a backpedal. When he lied about the severity of COVID, does that get dismissed b/c we all "knew" it would be a big problem?

So you are equating the lie list, which we were suppose to view as seeking truth in politics, as the same as political donations? Apples and oranges. Clearly the lie list was only seeking truth from one side of the aisle.

As for severity of lies, again where is the anger over blatant lies that were used to weaponize the FBI and justice dept? It seems people on the left never want to discuss that, but instead use whataboutism (a term the left coined to stop people from diverting from talking about Trump, to talking about about democrat politicians) to change the subject. I dont condone everything Trump has said and done, bu that wont divert my eyes from the lies the left has poured into our society in order to gain political power at any cost.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

So you are equating the lie list, which we were suppose to view as seeking truth in politics, as the same as political donations? Apples and oranges. Clearly the lie list was only seeking truth from one side of the aisle.

As for severity of lies, again where is the anger over blatant lies that were used to weaponize the FBI and justice dept? It seems people on the left never want to discuss that, but instead use whataboutism (a term the left coined to stop people from diverting from talking about Trump, to talking about about democrat politicians) to change the subject. I dont condone everything Trump has said and done, bu that wont divert my eyes from the lies the left has poured into our society in order to gain political power at any cost.

No. I’m equating it with you expecting a group that may be pro-Democrat (or anti-Trump) to curate a “Biden’s lies” list just so there can be a fair balance. That concept is just as ridiculous as expecting people to donate to both parties “to be fair”.
Again, whether the curators are partisan doesn’t change the lies at all. A lie is a lie no matter who reports on it.

You consider what you call the lies of the left who were not in power, not the president, to be worse than the 20,000 documented lies a sitting President told his country. Many of which were directly detrimental to the country. That is your right, but not something I would be proud of if I were you.

Some people back the losing horse and will refuse to change their views no matter what information they get. Cognitive dissonance happens, and there’s not much people can do to change that. I know fisherman who think wearing the right shirt will get them more fish. No joke. And nothing will ever convince them otherwise.
At least their dissonance doesn’t affect the country…

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

No. I’m equating it with you expecting a group that may be pro-Democrat (or anti-Trump) to curate a “Biden’s lies” list just so there can be a fair balance. That concept is just as ridiculous as expecting people to donate to both parties “to be fair”.
Again, whether the curators are partisan doesn’t change the lies at all. A lie is a lie no matter who reports on it.

You consider what you call the lies of the left who were not in power, not the president, to be worse than the 20,000 documented lies a sitting President told his country. Many of which were directly detrimental to the country. That is your right, but not something I would be proud of if I were you.

Some people back the losing horse and will refuse to change their views no matter what information they get. Cognitive dissonance happens, and there’s not much people can do to change that. I know fisherman who think wearing the right shirt will get them more fish. No joke. And nothing will ever convince them otherwise.
At least their dissonance doesn’t affect the country…

First of all, you are still diverting away from talking about the lies from the left Ive mentioned, barely addressing them at all by downplaying them as made by people not in power. Not only is that sidestepping, it's false. People all the way from Hillary Clinton herself, to powerful people in the FBI, the media, and even democrat congress people perpetuated those lies. But you only want to talk about Trump's lies.

As for why should a pro-democrat compile a Biden lie list... exactly. A pro-democrat person compiled that list. Thankyou for making my point for me. It was never about truth, it was about promoting democrat power.

"Many of which were directly detrimental to the country."

You still fail to address how one party lying to use the FBI and justice department to spy on their political rivals is detrimental to the country. Exactly what I was saying before, the left has turned into the party of break all the rules to win at any cost. Im confident if it had come out that Trump had been the one to use the FBI to spy on Hillary's campaign, you'd suddenly realize how detrimental that is to the country.

 

[Bobbytwonames 5,000+ posts]

You are convinced Trump supporters are blind followers who view him as infallible and consider him the messiah. You claim sarcasm when I point this out, but these are all your words not mine, and you clearly do believe those comments. You know, one sign of a cult is convincing people that anyone who disagrees is brainwashed, maybe you should look in the mirror.

Like I said, Im surrounded by Trump supporters on a daily basis. You are obviously well insulated from them in your life, based on your comments. I've never heard one single Trump supporter refer to him as perfect, far from it. Sure once in a while I see some nutcase religious zealot on the internet say Trump was sent from God, but I've yet to meet a single one of those people irl. Most of his supporters I've talked to wished he would stay off twitter, wished he would stfu more, and generally talk about his *policies*, not how amazing a *person* he is.

The left, the dems, and most of the mainstream media were so hell bent on taking Trump down that they saturated us with lies about him. The Steele dossier and Russian collusion, the pee tape and Putin blackmailing him over it, that his supporters are all racists who hate minorities, that he called Neo Nazi's "very fine people"... all lies that they fed you, yet all I see you complaining about is how awful Trump, the man, is. Where is your anger over being blatantly lied to for 4+ years? Do you even follow the news enough at this point to see that heads are starting to roll over the Steele dossier, and that it was a fabrication based on "opposition research" from his political opponent that was then used to allow the Obama administration to wire tap Trump's campaign?

Hillary Clinton paid an ex British agent to use Russian sources to create a document that claimed Trump was actually the one using Russian assets to help his campaign. Read that previous sentence again. That's easily verifiable if your mentality will allow you to look up some data that might undermine what YOUR leaders have convinced you is reality. Are you so hateful of Trump that you are willing to turn a blind eye to one political party weaponizing the FBI and justice dept to gain power in a national election? Again, if there is a cult here, maybe you are the one in it... win at any cost, right?

I say arrest them all if there is proof that a crime was committed. I couldn't care less of all their heads roll. If Hillary or any other Democrat goes to jail then so be it. As far as cult goes, look at all the Trump supporters with their conspiracy theories that the Dems stole the election. The only one that I heard asking a State to go "find" votes was Trump when he was caught on tape talking to the representatives from Georgia. And Trump did day that there was "very fine people on both sides" referring to the white supremacists.

I'll say it again for the hundredth time, Trump did a lot of good in office, but he also fukked up in some areas. He lost the election because of his fukk ups and all the daily drama BS. The guy couldn't even have a debate without losing his shitt and embarrassing himself. Hopefully he has learned from his shortcomings and does a better job if he gets elected again. I didn't know that the FBI and Justice Dept. were part of the Democratic party. Thanks for the info. ✌

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

First of all, you are still diverting away from talking about the lies from the left Ive mentioned, barely addressing them at all by downplaying them as made by people not in power. Not only is that sidestepping, it's false. People all the way from Hillary Clinton herself, to powerful people in the FBI, the media, and even democrat congress people perpetuated those lies. But you only want to talk about Trump's lies.

As for why should a pro-democrat compile a Biden lie list... exactly. A pro-democrat person compiled that list. Thankyou for making my point for me. It was never about truth, it was about promoting democrat power.

"Many of which were directly detrimental to the country."

You still fail to address how one party lying to use the FBI and justice department to spy on their political rivals is detrimental to the country. Exactly what I was saying before, the left has turned into the party of break all the rules to win at any cost. Im confident if it had come out that Trump had been the one to use the FBI to spy on Hillary's campaign, you'd suddenly realize how detrimental that is to the country.

I’m not sidestepping the “democrat lies”, but I have not seen representation of all these lies. I know Trump and his followers have yelled a lot about lies made against him by “ fake news” and “fake media” ( terms that themselves were false with pretty much every example he claimed, which is ironic), but have not seen a compilation of the lies. If you can offer a list, I’d be glad to address them.

Again, Trump was the PRESIDENT. A PRESIDENT should not be lying on a grand scale to the American public. “Well, OTHER people lied” is never an excuse for a POTUS to lie. Ever. 20,000 times? Inexcusable. Inciting insurrection over endless lies about a “stolen election”? Inexcusable.

It was the same bullshlt with Trumps womanizing and misogynistic actions. His followers suddenly found it OK to be that way. Many said “Clinton did it”. Way to drop your so-called morals like a hot potato.

Here’s how I address doing illegal things: NEITHER PARTY should be doing it. But when one party is in power, they get held to an even higher standard.
I don’t expect a McDonalds worker to spit on the food. The general manager? Eff no. The owner? Absofvckinglutely not. We hold LE to higher standards when it comes to behavior too. No coincidence.
There is hierarchy even when it has to do with doing the wrong thing. Do you agree?

“I wont defend Trump's honesty, but I will say that lie list is propaganda.”
The lie list is a list of lies that came from the mouth of a sitting President. I don’t care if Kim Jong Un himself compiled the list. If it’s real (and I HAVE checked multiple random examples and they were correct), then it’s a problem. The messenger is not relevant if the message is accurate.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

I’m not sidestepping the “democrat lies”, but I have not seen representation of all these lies. I know Trump and his followers have yelled a lot about lies made against him by “ fake news” and “fake media” ( terms that themselves were false with pretty much every example he claimed, which is ironic), but have not seen a compilation of the lies. If you can offer a list, I’d be glad to address them.

Again, Trump was the PRESIDENT. A PRESIDENT should not be lying on a grand scale to the American public. “Well, OTHER people lied” is never an excuse for a POTUS to lie. Ever. 20,000 times? Inexcusable. Inciting insurrection over endless lies about a “stolen election”? Inexcusable.

It was the same bullshlt with Trumps womanizing and misogynistic actions. His followers suddenly found it OK to be that way. Many said “Clinton did it”. Way to drop your so-called morals like a hot potato.

Here’s how I address doing illegal things: NEITHER PARTY should be doing it. But when one party is in power, they get held to an even higher standard.
I don’t expect a McDonalds worker to spit on the food. The general manager? Eff no. The owner? Absofvckinglutely not. We hold LE to higher standards when it comes to behavior too. No coincidence.
There is hierarchy even when it has to do with doing the wrong thing. Do you agree?

"Operative who worked on Steele dossier arrested as part of Trump-era DOJ investigation


An analyst who worked on the so-called Steele dossier — the salacious, largely unverified collection of former President Donald Trump's links to Russia — was arrested Thursday on charges that he lied to the FBI.

Igor Danchenko, who's been described as the dossier's primary researcher, was arrested as part of an investigation by John Durham, the special counsel appointed by Trump’s Justice Department to investigate the origins of the Russia probe." - https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/ju...-dossier-arrested-part-trump-era-doj-n1283197

Not to be an ***, but you wont find this info if you don't look for it. That's an NBC article, not Fox News, so its not like you have to make yourself look at some alt-right site or station to learn how the chips are starting fall on the steele dossier lies.

As for the party in power, Biden is now in power but you don't seem to care if there is a lie list for him. In fact, you have suggested we shouldn't bother because you feel nobody lies as much as Trump. So you change your story on party in power being held to a higher standard based on which party is in power. And you want us to think you want to apply justice equally, but you don't seem to care about democrat congress people who lied about Russian collusion, even when it was their party who was in power in congress during most of that time. Hillary Clinton, not the president but still extremely powerful, paid to generate the steele lies. Congress people like Adam Schiff who claimed he had seen evidence with his own eyes of Russian collusion, but simply couldn't make it public yet due to an on going investigation. Now that the steele dossier is being picked apart, Schiff went on a tv show (The View iirc) and changed the subject, just as you have here, to say we shouldn't downplay Trump's lies. Peter Strzok, the lead FBI investigator in charge of the Russian collusion charge... fired for obvious bias based on text messages he sent his mistress saying he would work to stop Trump from taking power. All very very powerful people, even though they weren't *the president*.