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[Bobbytwonames 5,000+ posts]

Holy shit. Did you hear that on ABC? That actually makes sense.

Hear what? The lesser of two evils? People were tired of the Hillary e-mail talk and Bengjazi, so Trump won. Then, four years later people were tired of the daily Trump drama so Biden won. It's pretty easy to see what happened in the last two elections.

 

[SlugButter]

Hear what? The lesser of two evils? People were tired of the Hillary e-mail talk and Bengjazi, so Trump won. Then, four years later people were tired of the daily Trump drama so Biden won. It's pretty easy to see what happened in the last two elections.

You see. You can come up with your own opinions after all without needing group think to do it. There may be hope for you.

 

[SlugButter]

Now I just need to get you out of my personal medical decisions the same way you stay out of women’s personal medical decisions. That would be great.

 

[Bobbytwonames 5,000+ posts]

Now I just need to get you out of my personal medical decisions the same way you stay out of women’s personal medical decisions. That would be great.

Hey, I didn't vaccinated until the FDA approval. It's completely your choice to get vaccinated or not. Just don't cry when you can't fly or do things that make you prove that you are vaccinated. That is a companies right to refuse services to people who aren't vaccinated. We have to live with the choices that we make.

 

[SlugButter]

This joint isn’t going to smoke itself. I better get it smoked before someone decides it’s an unhealthy choice that will cause me to get cancer, and then I do not deserve medical treatment because I knew better and would be taking up a hospital bed that someone else who doesn’t smoke joints could have. Later.

 

[Bobbytwonames 5,000+ posts]

This joint isn’t going to smoke itself. I better get it smoked before someone decides it’s an unhealthy choice that will cause me to get cancer, and then I do not deserve medical treatment because I knew better and would be taking up a hospital bed that someone else who doesn’t smoke joints could have. Later.

This is what my daughter grows.

 

[Firewalker]

Medical decisions for instance. You either believe that your medical decisions are an individual choice, or you believe that they are the choice of the collective. When you can sway in the wind one way or the other depending on which medical decision it is, you don’t have a core belief.

I believe in a person's choice when it comes to medical decisions including being pro-choice on abortions with regards to women. No one has the right to tell anyone else what they can or can not do to their body. Just like doctor's these days being very arrogant on a person's treatment. I've told doctors before that I run the show not them. I make the choices on what is going to happen to my body not them same with nurses. And they do NOT like hearing that because they are used to patients these days just taking what they say for suggestions, medications and surgeries and doing them. Nope not gonna happen just like they have wanted me to do full knee replacements on both knees for 14.5 years and it is NOT going to happen till I feel it is necessary and I am at least 60 years old. If I had let them do it at 30 like they wanted I would be doing replacements already as that is about the max they lasted when they wanted to do them.

And you, Buck, Cliff, Coolhand and thxone could be quadruplets.

And I was brought into this for what reason? I don't agree with those guys on some of their views and they know this as we have discussed it privately. Slug is probably the most liberal person on this site but like a lot of us has realized the Democratic party is not what they used to be nor is the GOP. Facts are when the Democrats elected a Catholic President the GOP lost it's mind and said we need to recruit the religious and what is now called the alt-right to counter them. Democrats responded in kind with recruiting what is now the alt-left.

I've made it known I don't like Trump at all despise the guy and Biden? Not a fan at all for a couple reasons like marijuana laws as he refuses to even think about changing them. I don't like either party and believe we need a legit 3rd party to challenge these idiots and I don't mean Libertarians or some other group out there now. Take the good of both and form a party.

I have the vaccine and have had it since March. People should be able to choose to get it or not. While I get mask mandates on private property i.e stores to enforce it and then they can deny services if they want to as it is their right. Schools that don't have mask mandates going right now are having kids drop out constantly because of not wearing them i.e like Florida. Mask's are proven to work and help stop the spread of it. However it still isn't my right to tell someone they must mask up in public or in a business. If someone chooses to not wear it in say Walmart well I am not going to say anything not my right to say something has to be on Walmart to do so like they did earlier in the year when you couldn't go in without one as they had people at the doors telling customers no mask no shopping. I don't have kids so with regards to schools but if I had one they would be wearing it in school. That is up to the business owners and their general manager to enforce it. I wear it because of my screwed up immune system so last thing I need is to get sick with covid. I've had family members with it, friends and even a couple of my friends have lost family members to it. One of them their cousin truly believed it was a hoax, media made up and till he past he still believed it was a bunch of BS and if he died it was something else. He was dead wrong as he didn't have any underlying conditions or medical problems till he was admitted.

Bottom line is no one has the right to tell someone else how to live, how to choose medical decisions and so on. My choices affect me and my family. And just like others say your rights don't trample or overrule my rights. It is called Freedom lovely thing to have in this country where many countries do not.

 

[Clifff150 10+ year member]

After it was FDA approved then that was good enough for me. I'm also pro-choice. A woman's body is her choice to decide what she wants to do with it. I can have an opinion on what she should do, but at the end of the day it's her body. The anti-vaxxers will never get vaccinated and that is their choice. If they want to keep making other people sick and die then that is their choice to make. But I also think that they should turn down medical help if they catch the virus and are unvaccinated.

You do realize vaccinated people are getting/spreading covid too right? The CDC isn’t counting the breakthrough cases anymore, only the ones that end up in hospitalization. CDC did a study on a mass gathering outbreak in MA where of the 450+ infected, over 70% were vaccinated and of the 5 hospitalizations, 4 were vaccinated. Please please do your own research before just regurgitating mass media. They exclude facts to fit their agenda (all sides do).

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

What's happening for sure is that the vaccinated people are causing the virus to mutate into deadlier strains. The spike protein production and resistance of the vaccinated is causing the virus to mutate into a stronger and different form to stay alive. That means the vaccine won't protect against those mutations, like the Delta. Vaccinated are getting the Delta, too.

Please don't trust the CDC. Anybody reading this: trusting the CDC could be deadly for your health. I genuinely mean that; they're liars and/or incompetent, just like the rest of the gov and gov-related entities.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

And I was brought into this for what reason? I don't agree with those guys on some of their views and they know this as we have discussed it privately.

See, you and I don't agree on everything politically, but you and I also realize that there is way more important factors to life than politics, so we're cool with each other.

Humans are mostly the same. Most of our problems, now days, are artificially generated out of our minds. Hopefully someday we can all bond over our similarities, which all of us have way more similarities with each other than differences. Our differences, IMO, are very minimal, and evil people and organizations use mind games to get the people to hate each other. We all should be hating the people who hate us. By us I mean: just normal, working people. There's very advanced technocrats and evil big-time leaders who want to see us kill each other, so that they can have the Earth all to themselves. I think once people realize that part of the game that is being played, we can set aside our opinions and truly try to make this a place where everybody fits.

All of these pyramid-scheme, top-down, blanket-like control systems never work. There's just too much variety in geographical location and people type. People should be allowed to live how they want, and there's enough room for all of us to do so without problems. There's enough energy, as well, but only if the real energy tech is released that's been hidden for over 100 years, like what the FBI confiscated from Tesla after he died.

 

[SlugButter]

My cousin is a doctor. She says it’s a terrible idea to vaccinate before doing an antibody test. People who have already had covid should not get a vaccination, according to her. We would’ve ended this already if we would’ve combined natural immunity with vaccine immunity, but vaccinating people who have antibodies causes the virus to mutate and adapt to the vaccine.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

You and Rob could be the exact same robot on every issue I bet.

At least we can support our issue with facts and evidence in the scientific method.

“This whole vaccine thing just FEELS wrong, so I won’t do it” is a pretty effing stupid way to roll.
But then again, a lack of due diligence is what landed you on the ground. How do you feel about the science of gravity? “Fake news”?

 

[SlugButter]

This guy still believes that only he has the facts. What a tool.

 

[SlugButter]

The Church of Modern Day Moronism must be having services today.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

My cousin is a doctor. She says it’s a terrible idea to vaccinate before doing an antibody test. People who have already had covid should not get a vaccination, according to her. We would’ve ended this already if we would’ve combined natural immunity with vaccine immunity, but vaccinating people who have antibodies causes the virus to mutate and adapt to the vaccine.

At what cost in human life?
At what monetary cost for the people who are hospitalized but survive, or out of work for a week or three?

North America has seen over 3 million deaths from it. Not enough?