Ignatowski 5,000+ posts
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Out of curiosity, what supersubs "own" the W7?
Owned was a strong word,I should have simply said Surpass in Output and SQ etc
now get off my ass:blackeye:
Out of curiosity, what supersubs "own" the W7?
Because you seem to make statements with no knowledge to back them up. If you are sure of yourself then you will have no problem providing the technical statements to back-up your comments.why ask why
Mabey you and Telegon need to hang out with all you comments and nothing to back them up.Punkorama-The W7 is clearly the superior speaker in more ways than just how it is marketed. Whether you are willing to fork over the cash for it is up to you, but it is simply unfair to compare the OEM to the W7, even considering multiples
Because you seem to make statements with no knowledge to back them up. If you are sure of yourself then you will have no problem providing the technical statements to back-up your comments.
Mabey you and Telegon need to hang out with all you comments and nothing to back them up.
did i need to back it up with any 'statements' ? No.get the JL.
Hmm....yeah, probably didn't wanna go there. Carry on!Because you seem to make statements with no knowledge to back them up. If you are sure of yourself then you will have no problem providing the technical statements to back-up your comments.
Mabey you and Telegon need to hang out with all you comments and nothing to back them up.
To show you how this works-The IDMAX had tighter, quicker bass response while the W7 had a bit more output.IMO
Punkorama-I can name several drivers I would put up an W7 any day of the week. It is not the end all be all. Just to name a couple for you, some you probably never heard off:SI MAG v2, IDMAX, JBL W12GTi, Dayton HO, SS RL-p, TC, Boston SPG. Yes I have had most of these I listed. Don't forget the install is going to play a big part in this also.
JL makes a very good driver. TC makes a very good driver. Everyone has their own personnal taste. I have used both I think they each have things they are better at. They both have good SQ is it the best out there mabey, personnal taste. There are alot of driver out there that are very good at both things your are after.
TC-JL-ID-JBL-FI-SI MAGs-SS
Now ask yourself what makes a great SQ sub, which is highly debatable?Faraday Rings, Low end ability, Tight response, how well it has the ability to integerate with front stage, Freq. response.
Either of the subs you are looking at IMO are near the top of the Market. Installed properly they both are an excellent choice. It's your ears and how you like your sub to play.
Please continue with you knowledge.
I am happy that you got a W7. It makes you the best.
Like to give your thoughts on copper shorting rings also and mabey a flat piston sub. O' wait you have no clue what they are. OOOps
Maybe you could break down Thiele Small Parameters for me also I am just not understanding what it all means.
i'm not sure if you've heard the tc-oem or not, but just because you own a w7 doesn't mean that that's what the OP should choose.As the owner of a W7 i think he cannot go wrong getting one.
And I suppose now is your chance to do the same then, isn't it? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gifBecause you seem to make statements with no knowledge to back them up. If you are sure of yourself then you will have no problem providing the technical statements to back-up your comments.
Good thing you added that last caveat. It makes the rest totally illegitimate. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gifMabey you and Telegon need to hang out with all you comments and nothing to back them up.
To show you how this works-The IDMAX had tighter, quicker bass response while the W7 had a bit more output.IMO
You did not list a single sub I haven't heard of, and most I've also had the pleasure of hearing in person. I am not a little school boy ***** you are going to come in and drop names on to try and impress. As for their ability when compared to the W7, forgetting price for a few moments, you'd have a tough time comparing them with quantifiable measurements and still say that the W7 is as good or better than most you listed.Punkorama-I can name several drivers I would put up an W7 any day of the week. It is not the end all be all. Just to name a couple for you, some you probably never heard off:SI MAG v2, IDMAX, JBL W12GTi, Dayton HO, SS RL-p, TC, Boston SPG. Yes I have had most of these I listed. Don't forget the install is going to play a big part in this also.
Again, you mention everyone has their own personal taste. So why do you come in here on a tangent like everyone else is wrong and you have all the answers?JL makes a very good driver. TC makes a very good driver. Everyone has their own personnal taste. I have used both I think they each have things they are better at. They both have good SQ is it the best out there mabey, personnal taste. There are alot of driver out there that are very good at both things your are after.
TC-JL-ID-JBL-FI-SI MAGs-SS
Faraday rings don't make a great SQ sub. Low inductance with very little modulation is a step in the right direction, but Faraday rings in the wrong places can actually be a big negative detractor. I'd gradly sacrifice some inductance issues, particularly in a sub (why on earth are people so obsessed with these things?) for more linear BL. The rest of the things you outlined are all frequency response related and have as much to do with the enclosure as they do the sub!Now ask yourself what makes a great SQ sub, which is highly debatable?Faraday Rings, Low end ability, Tight response, how well it has the ability to integerate with front stage, Freq. response.
Weird that you follow up the rest of your garbage with this good post. Quite odd...Either of the subs you are looking at IMO are near the top of the Market. Installed properly they both are an excellent choice. It's your ears and how you like your sub to play.
T/S parameters allow you to arrive at the parameters and performance of the speaker in a specific enclosure. This information includes transient response and frequency response (you can't have one without the other).I will throw this in also-transient response is as how fast a speaker starts, and how fast it stops in reaction to a given input signal.
T/S parameters don't tell you anything about how a speaker is actually going to perform.
Honestly...how many people purchasing the equipment would actually understand the information from a Klippel? 10%.....maybe?But how it strange to see that manufactures are quick to post them. Would be better if they posted the Klippel graphs from testing. To bad we do not have the Klippel graphs to compare the performance of these two against each other.