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<blockquote data-quote="azimuth" data-source="post: 6248358" data-attributes="member: 566682"><p>he&#039;s debating fine i think. made some intelligent points. the problem is, in my opinion, that alot of liberal arguments start from a dishonest premise in the first place. republicans don&#039;t want to kick out every mexican and never allow any in, but over 1/2 the arguments are made from that premise on the left. nobody wants to ban mexicans. do humans cause signicant global warming, or is the sun most of the issue? i attest that we could go back to the stone age, and not affect global warming one way or another, so to argue anything else is a waste of time until we get past that question. what happens? that is turned somehow into me not caring about the environment at all, and the argument continues dishonestly from there. there is no way to honestly debate with people who skip the first step and go right into some emotionally driven, logic lacking rant they heard from al gore.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="azimuth, post: 6248358, member: 566682"] he's debating fine i think. made some intelligent points. the problem is, in my opinion, that alot of liberal arguments start from a dishonest premise in the first place. republicans don't want to kick out every mexican and never allow any in, but over 1/2 the arguments are made from that premise on the left. nobody wants to ban mexicans. do humans cause signicant global warming, or is the sun most of the issue? i attest that we could go back to the stone age, and not affect global warming one way or another, so to argue anything else is a waste of time until we get past that question. what happens? that is turned somehow into me not caring about the environment at all, and the argument continues dishonestly from there. there is no way to honestly debate with people who skip the first step and go right into some emotionally driven, logic lacking rant they heard from al gore. [/QUOTE]

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