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<blockquote data-quote="audiolife" data-source="post: 6247305" data-attributes="member: 541383">I am an independent conservative. People do not get out of poverty being on welfare and living off the state, they get out of poverty with JOBS. People forget what the welfare reform did in the 90&#039;s. Democrats *****ed and moaned about it then tried to take credit for the good. If they actually meant to stand for work why are they for more welfare now? Over that time frame more minorities WORKED their way out of poverty than in any other time in our nations history, and they built their own livelihoods. Only reason it ever happened was from a republican congress strong arming Clinton.Also we will see how big of ideologues we have in office now because if they ram this crap through between Cap and Trade and either Health Care bill the party control will flip by 2012. Obama and the democrats in charge now have the lowest rating of ANY president/congress combination within their first 8 months in the history of tracking. The left can not complain and blame FOX or the Republicans because it is actual democrats and independents leaving, it is the Democrats OWN policy making people give up support. When there are 15% more who strongly disapprove over strongly approve, just shows they are fighting a losing battle. So instead of realing back the Dems are attacking and they are actually doubling the rate of which they are losing the debate.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="audiolife, post: 6247305, member: 541383"] I am an independent conservative. People do not get out of poverty being on welfare and living off the state, they get out of poverty with JOBS. People forget what the welfare reform did in the 90's. Democrats *****ed and moaned about it then tried to take credit for the good. If they actually meant to stand for work why are they for more welfare now? Over that time frame more minorities WORKED their way out of poverty than in any other time in our nations history, and they built their own livelihoods. Only reason it ever happened was from a republican congress strong arming Clinton. Also we will see how big of ideologues we have in office now because if they ram this crap through between Cap and Trade and either Health Care bill the party control will flip by 2012. Obama and the democrats in charge now have the lowest rating of ANY president/congress combination within their first 8 months in the history of tracking. The left can not complain and blame FOX or the Republicans because it is actual democrats and independents leaving, it is the Democrats OWN policy making people give up support. When there are 15% more who strongly disapprove over strongly approve, just shows they are fighting a losing battle. So instead of realing back the Dems are attacking and they are actually doubling the rate of which they are losing the debate. [/QUOTE]

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