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<blockquote data-quote="cotjones" data-source="post: 6147113" data-attributes="member: 573988"><p>Here we have the same understanding of the impossibility of the problem, you'll excuse me if i relate my statements to heavily to the human perspective ("a time before time.") but people usually don't understand the arguments otherwise. basically I agree, that such knowledge is unobtainable under the current conditions of human perspective. My disagreement it purely in the speculative outcome of the problem. You follow atheistic thoughts, I'm more influenced by themes such as Pascal's wager and behe's mousetrap. Not to mention i believe my personal view of the universe leads me along the past of deism. We must in this situation agree to disagree.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Not really, just logical arguements from a subjective perspective. 1 by 1..</p><p></p><p>1. If evolution makes sense apart from a higher being, how? If there is no answer to negate my assumption I am justified in believing the statement true, however i should continue to question the validity of the argument.</p><p></p><p>2. again same reasoning... Give me a logical reason to believe otherwise. I am choosing not to believe evolution makes sense uninfluenced by the same reasoning you are choosing to believe god exists, yet my assumption is reinforced (if not proven) everywhere i look in the universe (known universe.)</p><p></p><p>3. Things weather, decay and die until they are in the simplest form. this is observable everywhere you look literally EVERYWHERE. life without regard to subjective consciousness, simply pro-longs the process, goes against the current, litterally fights the forces the universe is putting on it. For what purpose? It's perfectly logical to say that the desire to maintain life is seeded in consciousness, but how did life develop to that level? What drove the first living organism to eat?</p><p></p><p>Sure maybe life has no purpose but it seems to, the universe is like a play-pen to the conscious mind. how ironic that the world as it exists can offer a conscious being no certainty whatsoever, "the only thing you cannot doubt, is that you may doubt everything." it's a torturous, conflicting existence that shouldn't happen. It would be more favorable for a being to never exist.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="cotjones, post: 6147113, member: 573988"] Here we have the same understanding of the impossibility of the problem, you'll excuse me if i relate my statements to heavily to the human perspective ("a time before time.") but people usually don't understand the arguments otherwise. basically I agree, that such knowledge is unobtainable under the current conditions of human perspective. My disagreement it purely in the speculative outcome of the problem. You follow atheistic thoughts, I'm more influenced by themes such as Pascal's wager and behe's mousetrap. Not to mention i believe my personal view of the universe leads me along the past of deism. We must in this situation agree to disagree. Not really, just logical arguements from a subjective perspective. 1 by 1.. 1. If evolution makes sense apart from a higher being, how? If there is no answer to negate my assumption I am justified in believing the statement true, however i should continue to question the validity of the argument. 2. again same reasoning... Give me a logical reason to believe otherwise. I am choosing not to believe evolution makes sense uninfluenced by the same reasoning you are choosing to believe god exists, yet my assumption is reinforced (if not proven) everywhere i look in the universe (known universe.) 3. Things weather, decay and die until they are in the simplest form. this is observable everywhere you look literally EVERYWHERE. life without regard to subjective consciousness, simply pro-longs the process, goes against the current, litterally fights the forces the universe is putting on it. For what purpose? It's perfectly logical to say that the desire to maintain life is seeded in consciousness, but how did life develop to that level? What drove the first living organism to eat? Sure maybe life has no purpose but it seems to, the universe is like a play-pen to the conscious mind. how ironic that the world as it exists can offer a conscious being no certainty whatsoever, "the only thing you cannot doubt, is that you may doubt everything." it's a torturous, conflicting existence that shouldn't happen. It would be more favorable for a being to never exist. [/QUOTE]
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