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<blockquote data-quote="cotjones" data-source="post: 6146341" data-attributes="member: 573988"><p>1. No you cannot more clearly define god and meaning, and thats the problem with religion. If there is a such thing as god which i believe is undeniably true, you cannot define him (more appropriately, "It") That is Clear,</p><p></p><p>And the reason why every religion in the world fails. Stop picturing god as a mighty rule-giver on a throne. As much historic information as you can muster, evidential support is neg. Thus following the rules of any religion boils down to sacrificing villagers to the volcano. I do not for one second believe that any religion in the world has 100% of the truth, granted they all have benefits and good concepts but not truth. By definition if a creator of the universe existed it would be for the purpose of negating the impossibility of a universe otherwise, a reality that humans are a part of and can not escape to obtain a clear reference which to define a god or purpose.</p><p></p><p>In other words you have a problem of circular reasoning here that cannot be seen around or through because the path of logic is beyond human reasoning. That problem is:</p><p></p><p>There is a degree of impossibility to the idea of the universe existing out of nothing. So a Pre-existing eternal force would actually be the simplest explanation, the circular reasoning and rhetorical part of the concept is that a "god" fitting this description would by definition be impossible to understand from the human perspective. so Alas, you cannot know either way for sure. No atheist truly has a better support for his beliefs than a deist or vica versa. But my argument for life here is the chief reason i believe deistic.</p><p></p><p>2.even though i do believe so, I'm not arguing that god gives your life meaning or purpose, You are taking it too far. I'm saying that in a universe devoid of "higher beings" or "un-natural" unobservable things, the concept of evolution makes no sense. An underlying force which is responsible for evolution attempts to keep life going which is completely nonsensical. The simplest most natural course would be that life (even if created by chance) would simply die out rather than continue and change. Saying otherwise is saying that evolution is following an illogical course and thus can defined as a conscious being! like a (omg) "GOD"!?!?! lol jk</p><p></p><p>Back to god giving life meaning yes. Look around you everything which serves a purpose in your house was created. This is in no way parallel to the existence of man, but my point is that a created being does not need to be aware of his purpose in order to serve it. The more useful thing to note is that complex items serve complex purposes.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="cotjones, post: 6146341, member: 573988"] 1. No you cannot more clearly define god and meaning, and thats the problem with religion. If there is a such thing as god which i believe is undeniably true, you cannot define him (more appropriately, "It") That is Clear, And the reason why every religion in the world fails. Stop picturing god as a mighty rule-giver on a throne. As much historic information as you can muster, evidential support is neg. Thus following the rules of any religion boils down to sacrificing villagers to the volcano. I do not for one second believe that any religion in the world has 100% of the truth, granted they all have benefits and good concepts but not truth. By definition if a creator of the universe existed it would be for the purpose of negating the impossibility of a universe otherwise, a reality that humans are a part of and can not escape to obtain a clear reference which to define a god or purpose. In other words you have a problem of circular reasoning here that cannot be seen around or through because the path of logic is beyond human reasoning. That problem is: There is a degree of impossibility to the idea of the universe existing out of nothing. So a Pre-existing eternal force would actually be the simplest explanation, the circular reasoning and rhetorical part of the concept is that a "god" fitting this description would by definition be impossible to understand from the human perspective. so Alas, you cannot know either way for sure. No atheist truly has a better support for his beliefs than a deist or vica versa. But my argument for life here is the chief reason i believe deistic. 2.even though i do believe so, I'm not arguing that god gives your life meaning or purpose, You are taking it too far. I'm saying that in a universe devoid of "higher beings" or "un-natural" unobservable things, the concept of evolution makes no sense. An underlying force which is responsible for evolution attempts to keep life going which is completely nonsensical. The simplest most natural course would be that life (even if created by chance) would simply die out rather than continue and change. Saying otherwise is saying that evolution is following an illogical course and thus can defined as a conscious being! like a (omg) "GOD"!?!?! lol jk Back to god giving life meaning yes. Look around you everything which serves a purpose in your house was created. This is in no way parallel to the existence of man, but my point is that a created being does not need to be aware of his purpose in order to serve it. The more useful thing to note is that complex items serve complex purposes. [/QUOTE]
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