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<blockquote data-quote="faulkton" data-source="post: 3548002" data-attributes="member: 561910"><p>Following your reasoning to its conclusion would indicate that every victim of crime is ultimately responsible for being a victim. There is inherent risk in everything. There is a risk that i could die in my sleep. Should i avoid sleep to mitigate that risk? There is a risk that i could be shot the next time i leave my house, yet i indeed leave my house. If i take that risk does that mean i am responsible for my own death should i end up murdered after leaving? Your logic seems in-line with the Saudi court system when it sentenced the victim of a gang **** because she was in the company of a male non relative when the **** occurred and thereby is responsible for her own ****.</p><p></p><p>There is inherent risk in everything we do, but a REASONABLE person isn't controlled by such minuscule risks and takes such risks with the understanding that they are a part of life and unavoidable.</p><p></p><p>It works both ways. If these two are responsible for their own deaths, then ultimately every victim of a crime is responsible for becoming a victim and the only way to escape responsibility for ones victim status is to kill yourself before you become a victim.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>There is a difference between following ones line of reasoning to its conclusion and hyperbole.</p><p></p><p>You cannot make claims regarding policy, morality, justice ,and law, without expecting them to be generalized from. To claim that applying ones reasoning to the broader context is evident of a poor debate is extreme naivety.</p><p></p><p></p><p>You haven't even listened to the tape but are making claims to the intent and disposition of the shooter? Maybe you should try listening to it before you make judgments about the intent and credibility of the shooter. Aside from what is said on the tape but not included in the transcripts you might be able to examine the tone of voice and credibility of the shooter. To make claims while refusing to listen to it is asinine.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="faulkton, post: 3548002, member: 561910"] Following your reasoning to its conclusion would indicate that every victim of crime is ultimately responsible for being a victim. There is inherent risk in everything. There is a risk that i could die in my sleep. Should i avoid sleep to mitigate that risk? There is a risk that i could be shot the next time i leave my house, yet i indeed leave my house. If i take that risk does that mean i am responsible for my own death should i end up murdered after leaving? Your logic seems in-line with the Saudi court system when it sentenced the victim of a gang **** because she was in the company of a male non relative when the **** occurred and thereby is responsible for her own ****. There is inherent risk in everything we do, but a REASONABLE person isn't controlled by such minuscule risks and takes such risks with the understanding that they are a part of life and unavoidable. It works both ways. If these two are responsible for their own deaths, then ultimately every victim of a crime is responsible for becoming a victim and the only way to escape responsibility for ones victim status is to kill yourself before you become a victim. There is a difference between following ones line of reasoning to its conclusion and hyperbole. You cannot make claims regarding policy, morality, justice ,and law, without expecting them to be generalized from. To claim that applying ones reasoning to the broader context is evident of a poor debate is extreme naivety. You haven't even listened to the tape but are making claims to the intent and disposition of the shooter? Maybe you should try listening to it before you make judgments about the intent and credibility of the shooter. Aside from what is said on the tape but not included in the transcripts you might be able to examine the tone of voice and credibility of the shooter. To make claims while refusing to listen to it is asinine. [/QUOTE]
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