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<blockquote data-quote="PollyCranopolis" data-source="post: 3526837" data-attributes="member: 553423">You believe that a theory constitutes absolute fact? Looks like you disproved your own point with the definition of theory, and at the same time made yourself look like an *******. You sir, need to be aware that there is a range of models that could explain the observations of the big bang theory itself. Even that cannot be scientifically dis-proven….For instance, I can construct you a spherically symmetrical universe with Earth at its center, and you cannot disprove it based on observations….You can only exclude it on philosophical grounds. Scientists use philosophical criteria in choosing their models. A lot of cosmology tries to hide that.I digress, in order for matter to come out of nothing, all of our scientific laws dealing with the conservation of matter/energy would have to be wrong, invalidating all of chemistry.&nbsp; All of our laws of conservation of angular momentum would have to be wrong, invalidating all of physics.&nbsp; All of our laws of conservation of electric charge would have to be wrong, invalidating all of electronics and demanding that your TV set not work! Your television set may not work, but that is not the reason! In order to believe matter is uncaused, one has to discard known laws and principles of science. No reasonable person is going to do this simply to maintain a personal atheistic position.bssmagik83 = PWNED (and I poked his mother)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="PollyCranopolis, post: 3526837, member: 553423"] You believe that a theory constitutes absolute fact? Looks like you disproved your own point with the definition of theory, and at the same time made yourself look like an *******. You sir, need to be aware that there is a range of models that could explain the observations of the big bang theory itself. Even that cannot be scientifically dis-proven….For instance, I can construct you a spherically symmetrical universe with Earth at its center, and you cannot disprove it based on observations….You can only exclude it on philosophical grounds. Scientists use philosophical criteria in choosing their models. A lot of cosmology tries to hide that. I digress, in order for matter to come out of nothing, all of our scientific laws dealing with the conservation of matter/energy would have to be wrong, invalidating all of chemistry. All of our laws of conservation of angular momentum would have to be wrong, invalidating all of physics. All of our laws of conservation of electric charge would have to be wrong, invalidating all of electronics and demanding that your TV set not work! Your television set may not work, but that is not the reason! In order to believe matter is uncaused, one has to discard known laws and principles of science. No reasonable person is going to do this simply to maintain a personal atheistic position. bssmagik83 = PWNED (and I poked his mother) [/QUOTE]

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