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<blockquote data-quote="faulkton" data-source="post: 2381691" data-attributes="member: 561910">I think that we were selectively fed intelligence that supported an already established outcome, going to war. However that doesn&#039;t really matter, we are there now.Personally i think we need to drop the nation building &#039;lets force democracy with the barrel of a gun&#039; bullshit. Democracy isn&#039;t something you force upon others, its something they have to struggle on their own to achieve.I think what we need to do is choose the next brutal dictator, favorable to the US of course, and let him get to work cracking the whip and getting that place under control.We will never be able to turn Iraq into a functional pro-west democracy. Even if we could, it wouldnt be worth the cost.&nbsp; At this point, the best we can hope for is another ruthless leader, like Saddam, who will do what needs to be done to get the place under control so we can bring our troops home without the place turning into a haven for terrorists.Say what you want about Saddam but he kept the place under control, something we haven&#039;t been able to do.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="faulkton, post: 2381691, member: 561910"] I think that we were selectively fed intelligence that supported an already established outcome, going to war. However that doesn't really matter, we are there now. Personally i think we need to drop the nation building 'lets force democracy with the barrel of a gun' bullshit. Democracy isn't something you force upon others, its something they have to struggle on their own to achieve. I think what we need to do is choose the next brutal dictator, favorable to the US of course, and let him get to work cracking the whip and getting that place under control. We will never be able to turn Iraq into a functional pro-west democracy. Even if we could, it wouldnt be worth the cost. At this point, the best we can hope for is another ruthless leader, like Saddam, who will do what needs to be done to get the place under control so we can bring our troops home without the place turning into a haven for terrorists. Say what you want about Saddam but he kept the place under control, something we haven't been able to do. [/QUOTE]

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