Who is really responsible for inflation?

The only time I'm being silly is asking you about time blindness. Everything else is a response to post you have made... Yeah, that's me responding to continue the conversation. Like I said, everyone will respond in their own way. You may not like it but that's just the way it is. From day one Democrats actively worked against Trump making his job harder. There should be consequences for that. Are you unaware of how they treated Trump or aware but just don't care.
 
When Obama was elected the GOP flat out and said on video they would do everything they could to make him a one term president along with a lot of lies about Obama as well. Same with Biden. Both parties do that stuff to say otherwise is flat out wrong.
 
When Obama was elected the GOP flat out and said on video they would do everything they could to make him a one term president along with a lot of lies about Obama as well. Same with Biden. Both parties do that stuff to say otherwise is flat out wrong.
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If you believe that the GOP doesn't do it then that says a lot. Because they do it as well as the democrats. McConnel said it flat out he was going to do that.

Right here he says it about Obama and Biden. So yeah the GOP has a history of it as well.




Right there on video to deny him a 2nd term. And even Faux News as well has it. He said on Faux News it was his most important political goal to make him a 1 term president.



Democrats do this crap as does the GOP.
 
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If you believe that the GOP doesn't do it then that says a lot. Because they do it as well as the democrats. McConnel said it flat out he was going to do that.

Right here he says it about Obama and Biden. So yeah the GOP has a history of it as well.




Right there on video to deny him a 2nd term. And even Faux News as well has it. He said on Faux News it was his most important political goal to make him a 1 term president.



Democrats do this crap as does the GOP.

That is hilarious!!!

Comparing this mans opinions to the continuing actions being taken against Trump are 100% equal and the same.

On a side note. I have acknowledged that all political parties do the same things.

McConnel is being a politician to his side. As well he should. Obviously he is/was not a fan of Obama's running of things and spoke his mind on what he thinks needs to change. He is not talking about destroying the mans life. He is not talking about putting him behind bars. It's a damn shame how so many people compare things as equal when they are not even in the same ball park. Damn shame.
 
Oh trust me I'm not defending HoW at all,lol. Nowhere near it. Just making the case that the GOP does this crap as well with regards to Democrat Presidents. And the Democrats try to make GOP Presidents one term as well. That is my point they both do it. To say otherwise is just flat out wrong.

Trump also sits there and ******* about the DOJ and DA's coming after him & blaming Biden but if you read what he wants to do with the DOJ and other entities in the fed to go after the democrats if he gets back in then using his logic he is going to do the same thing, he also wants to go after his former people that spoke out against him. Try reading Project 2025 and a couple others that him & some of his people want to implement. Flat out scary!

I am no fan of Biden one bit. Trump however I want nowhere near that White House again. And tbh same with Biden he shouldn't be near it either.
 
No, I'm just done with this. For the final time with you:
I've put more effort into having a real conversation, then all 3 of you combined. YOU haven't answered a single thing I have said. You all just make up nonsense, lie and deflect. It's just too ridiculous to keep this going. I really don't think you're this dumb, I think you're just trolling. You act like I'm the one being petty, and yet YOU are the one that acts this same way in many other threads. Also being petty about some hangup you have, that you wouldn't be honest about and just say what it was there either. This childish nonsense isn't just nothing new for you, it's your standard.


I think the three of you, and especially you, aren't willing or capable of having an adult conversation. "The reasons I have been told to hate trump"??? Where do you even come up with the nonsense?

Which one of these was you being real and direct?

This ignorant stereotype, where you blame democrats when republicans controlled the house and the senate??


Again where you ignorantly stereotype all democrats,


When you were deflecting and were trying to say I'm the one stereotyping and bashing all republicans, which you failed to quote where that happened, because I didn't. (The closest I have gotten to that, is blaming idiot trumpers, for the reason I think biden will win again).


When you were deflecting about not acknowledging how republicans controlled both houses while trump was president, (which you still haven't acknowledged).



You don't honestly think you're making an effort at having a straight up, honest adult conversation do you??

I tried to share my opinion, with reasons and an explanation why, and you can't or won't do the same. I just honestly think you're dishonest, childish, disingenuous, and I question whether or not you're capable of having a real adult conversation with, (which is the same history you have had in other threads where you post trashy comments behind me (for some reason, I still don't know). That's not a personal attack, just my opinion. This is just a waste of time and energy having a one-sided honest adult, conversation.
How can we respond to a question that wasn't asked? You've offered no explanation of how Trump seized control of the Fed. All you've offered is the claim that Trump was in control of Fed policy. Was Biden in control of USSC when he critiqued Dobbs v Jackson? You presented what amounts to a conspiracy and got called out on it. Feel free to hide behind memes or if I'm wrong and there is evidence showing that Trump was indeed directing Fed policy please feel free to present it.
 
If you believe that the GOP doesn't do it then that says a lot. Because they do it as well as the democrats. McConnel said it flat out he was going to do that.

Right here he says it about Obama and Biden. So yeah the GOP has a history of it as well.




Right there on video to deny him a 2nd term. And even Faux News as well has it. He said on Faux News it was his most important political goal to make him a 1 term president.



Democrats do this crap as does the GOP.

The problem is, now there seems to be a lack of people in the political middle. Seems like they're missing in the halls of Congress and on Main Street America. Once upon a time you had guys like McCain that would work with the other party to find compromises. Biden used to be one of those guys for the Dems. Now it seems like there are very few politicians trying to bridge the gap and when they show any willingness to work with the opposition party, they are quickly shown the door by their own party.
 
The problem is, now there seems to be a lack of people in the political middle. Seems like they're missing in the halls of Congress and on Main Street America. Once upon a time you had guys like McCain that would work with the other party to find compromises. Biden used to be one of those guys for the Dems. Now it seems like there are very few politicians trying to bridge the gap and when they show any willingness to work with the opposition party, they are quickly shown the door by their own party.
Cut them all loose and start fresh.
 
How can we respond to a question that wasn't asked? You've offered no explanation of how Trump seized control of the Fed. All you've offered is the claim that Trump was in control of Fed policy. Was Biden in control of USSC when he critiqued Dobbs v Jackson? You presented what amounts to a conspiracy and got called out on it. Feel free to hide behind memes or if I'm wrong and there is evidence showing that Trump was indeed directing Fed policy please feel free to present it.
You're kidding right? Ok, your turn. I think for the fifth time in this thread, I was pretty clear in my first post. You're the one that keeps trying to turn this into "trump controlled the fed", as opposed to what I said, that he told them to raise it, and have since added several different videos showing what trump did. He even talks about going against the fed's recommendation, which they did. You are also not making an effort to have an honest adult conversation.

Dobbs vs Jackson????????? This is just enough deflection so you can fill your comment.

I find it amazing that you don't think a long written response to the thread's question is a response. How I stated my opinion then gave supporting paragraphs as to why. (I'm going to guess you don't have any understanding of critical thinking, nor have you ever written an essay). Yet you think posting a 2hr video answers everything.
You couldn't be bothered to write a single point about the video. A main idea about anything you wanted someone to learn or wanted to discuss. Nothing about an important section or time window to the video, you couldn't even bother with a single thought so a discussion could be had without the video..... Just here is a 2hr video, watch it intently, learn everything you can, and poof you're welcome. 1, You made absolutely no effort at any discussion. Two, WHOtF has 2 hrs to just pull out of their day to watch your random video without having a single reason why???

Every single post you have made to me is nothing but a deflection, and not a straight up honest response.

You three keep hitting the like button for each other if that's what you need to feel better.
 
You're kidding right? Ok, your turn. I think for the fifth time in this thread, I was pretty clear in my first post. You're the one that keeps trying to turn this into "trump controlled the fed", as opposed to what I said, that he told them to raise it, and have since added several different videos showing what trump did. He even talks about going against the fed's recommendation, which they did. You are also not making an effort to have an honest adult conversation.

Dobbs vs Jackson????????? This is just enough deflection so you can fill your comment.

I find it amazing that you don't think a long written response to the thread's question is a response. How I stated my opinion then gave supporting paragraphs as to why. (I'm going to guess you don't have any understanding of critical thinking, nor have you ever written an essay). Yet you think posting a 2hr video answers everything.
You couldn't be bothered to write a single point about the video. A main idea about anything you wanted someone to learn or wanted to discuss. Nothing about an important section or time window to the video, you couldn't even bother with a single thought so a discussion could be had without the video..... Just here is a 2hr video, watch it intently, learn everything you can, and poof you're welcome. 1, You made absolutely no effort at any discussion. Two, WHOtF has 2 hrs to just pull out of their day to watch your random video without having a single reason why???

Every single post you have made to me is nothing but a deflection, and not a straight up honest response.

You three keep hitting the like button for each other if that's what you need to feel better.
What you actually said. Please note that YOU all capped TOLD for emphasis, not me.

What trump did, and what no other president has done, is he TOLD the federal reserve to lower the prime rate, when they should have raised it.

Technically the Fed controls the Fed Funds Rate. The 3/4% drop from Jul/2019 - Oct/2019 was in response to slowing economic growth after the Fed raised the FFR ~2% after Trump took office. The 3/4% drop is nothing for 2 reasons. The big one is the Fed has been using QT and QE to control money supply more than rates (see 2 hour video). Additionally, the 3/4% is nothing because the Fed was going back to 0% interest rates anyway due to Covid.

The Fed bases it's FFR policy on economic data and projections, not Trump sound bites and tweets. Furthermore, even if I/we to concede that Trump's bitching & moaning equates to TELLING the Fed to cut rates or that Trump somehow seized control of the Fed, to blame inflation on this 4 month window is laughable at best.

FYI, note that I posted the video twice, the second time, time stamped to specific section that I reference to @Buck and company. I feel no reason to "crib notes" a documentary that Frontline did such an excellent job of doing. The video is indexed and chapters labeled. I posted the link for anybody who actually cares to find out and/or have a greater understanding of what's driving inflation. Ironically, it was posted more in response to those blaming Biden for inflation, you just happened to come along with your equally politically biased narrative where Trump is the bad guy. Couldn't possibly be that the organization whose mission is to promote maximum employment and stable prices might be the real culprit here. Couldn't possibly be that every other central bank was engaging in similar policies as the Fed. Why look were it makes sense to look, when the Orange Guy makes for such an inviting target.
 
You're kidding right? Ok, your turn. I think for the fifth time in this thread, I was pretty clear in my first post. You're the one that keeps trying to turn this into "trump controlled the fed", as opposed to what I said, that he told them to raise it, and have since added several different videos showing what trump did. He even talks about going against the fed's recommendation, which they did. You are also not making an effort to have an honest adult conversation.

Dobbs vs Jackson????????? This is just enough deflection so you can fill your comment.

I find it amazing that you don't think a long written response to the thread's question is a response. How I stated my opinion then gave supporting paragraphs as to why. (I'm going to guess you don't have any understanding of critical thinking, nor have you ever written an essay). Yet you think posting a 2hr video answers everything.
You couldn't be bothered to write a single point about the video. A main idea about anything you wanted someone to learn or wanted to discuss. Nothing about an important section or time window to the video, you couldn't even bother with a single thought so a discussion could be had without the video..... Just here is a 2hr video, watch it intently, learn everything you can, and poof you're welcome. 1, You made absolutely no effort at any discussion. Two, WHOtF has 2 hrs to just pull out of their day to watch your random video without having a single reason why???

Every single post you have made to me is nothing but a deflection, and not a straight up honest response.

You three keep hitting the like button for each other if that's what you need to feel better.
I have a sneaking suspicion that nobody is going to be able to answer you "correctly" or with an "honest" response as I think you are looking for specific responses or "trigger words" to argue with scripted responses.
 
What you actually said. Please note that YOU all capped TOLD for emphasis, not me.



Technically the Fed controls the Fed Funds Rate.
You were either hiding under a rock during trumps presidency, or you just aren't going to acknowledge the way trump works.

The 3/4% drop from Jul/2019 - Oct/2019 was in response to slowing economic growth after the Fed raised the FFR ~2% after Trump took office.
No. The continued drop happened starting just over 10 years prior to that, when Obama took office, and was able to increase job growth by passing his recovery act, after the fannie mae and freddie mac housing bubble.

The 3/4% drop is nothing for 2 reasons. The big one is the Fed has been using QT and QE to control money supply more than rates (see 2 hour video). Additionally, the 3/4% is nothing because the Fed was going back to 0% interest rates anyway due to Covid.
The prime rate, never has, and never will be at zero percent, that's asinine.

The Fed bases it's FFR policy on economic data and projections, not Trump sound bites and tweets.
I think this is just you not willing to acknowledge how trump's presidency was ran. He thought he could, and said he could do it all himself. He didn't want people to do their jobs, he wanted people that would listen to him tell them what to do.

Furthermore, even if I/we to concede that Trump's bitching & moaning equates to TELLING the Fed to cut rates or that Trump somehow seized control of the Fed, to blame inflation on this 4 month window is laughable at best.
"bitching and moaning" Come on now. If you think you are right, then there's no need for the BS adlib. Stick with the truth.

FYI, the economy doesn't happen or change overnight. What four month window exactly? The one where covid was starting, and nothing was going to improve?

This was just you being vague and deflecting.


FYI, note that I posted the video twice, the second time, time stamped to specific section that I reference to @Buck and company. I feel no reason to "crib notes" a documentary that Frontline did such an excellent job of doing. The video is indexed and chapters labeled. I posted the link for anybody who actually cares to find out and/or have a greater understanding of what's driving inflation.
So you're not here to have a discussion, you're here to post videos that you expect people to just watch for hours, without knowing why? It isn't about "crib notes" for a video, it's about you making ANY kind of effort at making a point to have a discussion.


Ironically, it was posted more in response to those blaming Biden for inflation, you just happened to come along with your equally politically biased narrative where Trump is the bad guy.
You've resorted to using buzzwords, and not actually responding to me. I think it's the 7th time I've said this: "I was very clear in trying to make my point and why", Yet you still haven't responded to it, you just keep trying to twist it into things like" I'm blaming trump, or trump controlled the board of the fed, then try to dismiss where there are three videos of him doing what I said he did, (and there are more). You do get the ONLY THING you wrote for this thread to be on was:

Who is really responsible for inflation?​

(That's it. That's all you wrote). I answered it.

Couldn't possibly be that the organization whose mission is to promote maximum employment and stable prices might be the real culprit here. Couldn't possibly be that every other central bank was engaging in similar policies as the Fed. Why look were it makes sense to look, when the Orange Guy makes for such an inviting target.
So you think it wasn't trump that had a hand in it, even when there are multiple videos of him telling them to do it.
Even when one of those videos is trump talking about how the fed wants to raise the rate, with multiple other videos where he repeatedly told them to lower it.

You think what really happened is: "all the central banks, and the fed then changed what they were going to do, not because trump told them to do it, but because their intention was to hurt employment, and destabilize prices"?
(That's your argument here right?)

Couldn't be the fragile-ego, 70 some year old, class-clown, spoiled brat that's had EVERYTHING handed to him, never grown up, never worked an honest day's labor in his life, has never learned to respect people, etc.. wanted a quick boost to the economy that he could never shut up about, without caring how it would come back around. That couldn't be it right? Not the guy, that didn't help the Biden administration changeover, or the one that just picked a date to screw the military in Afghanistan. Couldn't be the guy the is open about wanting to be a dictator to his rivals if he wins. Couldn't be the guy that insults everyone that doesn't kiss his ***. Couldn't be the guy the expects loyalty from everyone, and gives it to none. Couldn't be the guy that insults the mentally handicapped, POWs, Veterans, and Gold Star Families. Couldn't be the guy that insults many heads of state, stereotypes generations, or feels the need to insult teenage girls because they want clean air and water. Couldn't be the guy on trial for lying and cheating the banks and his taxes because he certainly cares about other people and wouldn't want to hurt everyone else right? Nothing he does is ever his fault right?

Couldn't be this guy that doesn't care about people.
 
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