Who here steals...

[newusername 10+ year member]

I doubt anyone here actually steals music. Downloading is not stealing, in a legal sense.

I download a lot of lossless music without paying for it. If I enjoy the album, I buy it on vinyl. CD's are useless, in my opinion, as they aren't as portable as digital media, they scratch too easily, and are routinely poorly mastered.

 

[canyouhearmatt 10+ year member]

I doubt anyone here actually steals music. Downloading is not stealing, in a legal sense.
I download a lot of lossless music without paying for it. If I enjoy the album, I buy it on vinyl. CD's are useless, in my opinion, as they aren't as portable as digital media, they scratch too easily, and are routinely poorly mastered.

huh. So you can still buy vinyls of new albums?

 

[Korn4Life 5,000+ posts]

I borrow

 

[BASS_WARRIOR 10+ year member]

Thats Damm near impossible................unless it was someone else.
But I think I bought like 3 albums this year if that. And one of them I bought 2 times.

That wouldn't surprise me...

I mean come on does this guy look straight?

 

[adio 5,000+ posts]

I doubt anyone here actually steals music. Downloading is not stealing, in a legal sense.
I download a lot of lossless music without paying for it. If I enjoy the album, I buy it on vinyl. CD's are useless, in my opinion, as they aren't as portable as digital media, they scratch too easily, and are routinely poorly mastered.

how and from where?

 

[canyouhearmatt 10+ year member]

That wouldn't surprise me...
I mean come on does this guy look straight?

Why have you imagesharked my picture..PEDO! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eek.gif.771b7a90cf45cabdc554ff1121c21c4a.gif

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

huh. So you can still buy vinyls of new albums?

Yes. Vinyl sales actually rebounded in 2007 and are up again so far in 2008.

how and from where?

Waffles and What. They're private sites. There is also Pedro's and Libble.

 

[TurdFergueson2 5,000+ posts]

That wouldn't surprise me...
I mean come on does this guy look straight?

He sure has a purty pole smoking mouth.

 

[geowick07 10+ year member]

I do the same as some people have mentioned. I download it, and if it is a god album, I will go buy it.

 

[adam71 5,000+ posts]

I don't download much of anything anymore. It has been a long time as a matter of fact. But most of what I buy is used CDs from second hand stores. I go once a week and browse in South Bend, Kalamazoo and other local places. I can get 10 used but good shape CDs for less than $50 usually. If a band that I already know comes out with a new CD I will go ahead and buy it but otherwise it's used for me. But for the most part I like to listen to vinyl over ANY OTHER FORMAT. It just sounds that much better to me.

Personally I can't understand what anyone sees in compressed music. I listen to alot of music at home and I can hear the difference. I don't care if it is said to be lossless it is still compressed. If you want lossless audio why not go with UNCOMPRESSED audio. Thats my point. To each his own but the only MP3s I listen to are the ones I've made myself on my PC from my CD collection. Therefore I'm ripping them myself and know for a fact they're the best quality they can be. I use EAC to rip and LAME to encode via the uberstandard. It's high quality VBR and sounds great for a compressed format.

The biggest problem we face these days is the dynamic range compression now used and abused by record producers on CDs. This is marketing gimmick to lure people in because most assume louder is better. The new Metallica for instance has almost NO dynamic range. While POP CDs might have 6dbs. In contrast to that you have some audiophile CDs that have over 50 dbs of dynamic range. So it's not like the the CD format is limited, it's just not utilized to its full potential.

That and the fact that most younger people these days wouldn't know high quality music playback if it jumped up and punched them in the nads. They've grown up listening to MP3s over their little computer speakers or cheap headphones and think that is how music is supposed to sound. Therefore they don't want anything else. It is more about how much music they can fit on thier Ipod than HOW GOOD it could actually sound. A.K.A. quantity over quality. That is why the high end audio market is dwindling away. Sure, alot of the high end brands will be available via the internet but high end stores are closing down left and right. It's sad but true.

For me it's uncompressed music. Either by vinyl or CD. My deck in my car won't even play MP3s if that tells you anything.

-sorry for the long rant

 

[skadude016 5,000+ posts]

If I cant get it online I will buy the CD. Or if I have a real appreciation for a certain artist or band I will buy their CD.

 

[Tor]

Music. I started recently buying my cd's, and I have found a new appreciation for music. Who in here still pays for there music. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif
People I have talked to and I told them I buy cd's now, they think im crazy. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif

I buy.

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

I don't care if it is said to be lossless it is still compressed. If you want lossless audio why not go with UNCOMPRESSED audio.

You don't understand lossless codecs. It is lossless...it is the exact same as the CD material. You can do a bit-by-bit comparison and find this to be true.

Uncompressed audio is impractical for the time being. Of course, the beauty of lossless formats like FLAC, ALAC, etc. is that they can be transcoded to an uncompressed format like WAV without any problems.

 

[adam71 5,000+ posts]

You don't understand lossless codecs. It is lossless...it is the exact same as the CD material. You can do a bit-by-bit comparison and find this to be true.
Uncompressed audio is impractical for the time being. Of course, the beauty of lossless formats like FLAC, ALAC, etc. is that they can be transcoded to an uncompressed format like WAV without any problems.

But as I also stated in my original post (if you read all of it, i know it was long) I don't see the point in lossless. I use VBR on my PC from time to time. I listen to vinyl or CD on home stereo alot. And I listen either XM for sports and to hear some stuff that I don't own and mostly it's red book CD for me in the car. Why you would say that uncompressed audio is impractical is beyond me. Maybe you were talking about your personal situation I don't know. But for me they're QUITE practical and sound much better than MP3s. I also mentioned my deck in my car doesn't play mp3s nor is there an Ipod interface. It's an audiophile deck that doesn't even have a built in amplifier. So I have NO use for lossless compression. Get my point?

Oh and I do understand what lossless codecs are. MLP is a lossless codec. That is what DVD-Audio uses.

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

Lossless codecs like FLAC are logical because they are CD quality without using as much storage on your HD. If I were to convert all my FLAC albums to uncompressed WAV, I would have to get twice as much storage than I have now....pointless.

You said:

If you want lossless audio why not go with UNCOMPRESSED audio.

The reason you wouldn't do that is because you can have an equivalent at ~1/2 the size.