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<blockquote data-quote="wickedwitt" data-source="post: 7578869" data-attributes="member: 622908">They get quite loud, last for years on end, and have wonderful customer service. That is why they are so bad. jokes, I got &#039;em.&nbsp;Audio, I know this is quite late, but I wanted to clarify.My entire premise was based off the assumption, that the smaller cones would produce less output. For many people that listen to metal, or rock with double kick drums, their objective is drivers that can keep up with the drummer and not sound muddy. Would a 12 have to work harder (move further) in order to produce that same note as powerful as a similar 15? Yes. We agree.Aren&#039;t most (ignore bass head gear here with 12s that are rated for 2500w RMS, I&#039;m strictly talking mainstream, budget drivers here) smaller cones designed around a higher fs, with lower power handling that would be suited for this type of install? I think yes. In this same world (again, mainstream drivers like RF punch series), wouldn&#039;t a 15 or 18 be designed for the consumer that listens to rap and slowed music, of which they are focused solely on output and not driver accuracy? Again, I think so. When you talk about mainstream companies, they are appealing to the masses, they aren&#039;t people like Jacob of Sundown, or Atomic, where they are trying to get insanely high output 10s or SQ oriented 18s. They are trying to move as much product as they can, which means building the 10s and 12s to a spec that most people looking for 10s and 12s would be looking for, and the same for the larger coned speakers. I didn&#039;t convey any of this my first couple of posts and therefore was taken very differently than I actually meant.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="wickedwitt, post: 7578869, member: 622908"] They get quite loud, last for years on end, and have wonderful customer service. That is why they are so bad. jokes, I got 'em. Audio, I know this is quite late, but I wanted to clarify. My entire premise was based off the assumption, that the smaller cones would produce less output. For many people that listen to metal, or rock with double kick drums, their objective is drivers that can keep up with the drummer and not sound muddy. Would a 12 have to work harder (move further) in order to produce that same note as powerful as a similar 15? Yes. We agree. Aren't most (ignore bass head gear here with 12s that are rated for 2500w RMS, I'm strictly talking mainstream, budget drivers here) smaller cones designed around a higher fs, with lower power handling that would be suited for this type of install? I think yes. In this same world (again, mainstream drivers like RF punch series), wouldn't a 15 or 18 be designed for the consumer that listens to rap and slowed music, of which they are focused solely on output and not driver accuracy? Again, I think so. When you talk about mainstream companies, they are appealing to the masses, they aren't people like Jacob of Sundown, or Atomic, where they are trying to get insanely high output 10s or SQ oriented 18s. They are trying to move as much product as they can, which means building the 10s and 12s to a spec that most people looking for 10s and 12s would be looking for, and the same for the larger coned speakers. I didn't convey any of this my first couple of posts and therefore was taken very differently than I actually meant. [/QUOTE]

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