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<blockquote data-quote="akheathen" data-source="post: 7289652" data-attributes="member: 629234">.................. i didn&#039;t know they stamped aluminum baskets.... looks cast to me.&nbsp;&nbsp; comp line- yes, l-series, none that i have owned.&nbsp; maybe between 2008-present, which i have not owned.and, i would like to say, the same rule goes for kicker, as other subs.&nbsp; you go by the rms wattage ratings, not max.&nbsp; there is amps that put out little as 10% more max, than rms, and subs that are rated 4x+ rms for max.&nbsp;&nbsp; with kicker- they have not had the most abuse-able vc&#039;s.&nbsp; the old ones- if you smell it- turn it down and let it cool.&nbsp; the new ones, watch out for bottoming out.&nbsp; kicker is, their own kind of sub, period.&nbsp; cannot really compare to others, since inherent characteristics are proprietary to those subs.&nbsp; as for the cone structure- they almost had it real solid the first time on the l7, just had a glue issue, from what i hear, and the new ones were not an improvements, but a way to cheap out and spend less by making it one piece.&nbsp; imho, they are worse for rigidity.oh, and i saw someone talking about x-max (x-mech, really) and it was real decent for the time in the beginning, but have not improved to keep up with the time.&nbsp; now all it is is cone area, which i have seen 10&#039;s and 12&#039;s with as much as 3&quot; x-mech, and i&#039;m sure that would murder an l7 for total cone effect (total VD...... vd is not just for sluts anymore)&nbsp; i&#039;ve been thinking up a pet project to bring the l7&#039;s up to date, and increase the x-mech to the limitations of the surround</blockquote>

[QUOTE="akheathen, post: 7289652, member: 629234"] .................. i didn't know they stamped aluminum baskets.... looks cast to me. comp line- yes, l-series, none that i have owned. maybe between 2008-present, which i have not owned. and, i would like to say, the same rule goes for kicker, as other subs. you go by the rms wattage ratings, not max. there is amps that put out little as 10% more max, than rms, and subs that are rated 4x+ rms for max. with kicker- they have not had the most abuse-able vc's. the old ones- if you smell it- turn it down and let it cool. the new ones, watch out for bottoming out. kicker is, their own kind of sub, period. cannot really compare to others, since inherent characteristics are proprietary to those subs. as for the cone structure- they almost had it real solid the first time on the l7, just had a glue issue, from what i hear, and the new ones were not an improvements, but a way to cheap out and spend less by making it one piece. imho, they are worse for rigidity. oh, and i saw someone talking about x-max (x-mech, really) and it was real decent for the time in the beginning, but have not improved to keep up with the time. now all it is is cone area, which i have seen 10's and 12's with as much as 3" x-mech, and i'm sure that would murder an l7 for total cone effect (total VD...... vd is not just for sluts anymore) i've been thinking up a pet project to bring the l7's up to date, and increase the x-mech to the limitations of the surround [/QUOTE]

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