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[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

There is no such evidence in there.

Apparently you either didn't read it or skimmed for for talking points

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Hmm…let’s use Rob clown logic here…if vaccines do stop the spread, and covid shots don’t stop the spread, then covid shots aren’t vaccines

‘DR. FAUCI: One of the things that's clear from the data [is] that even though vaccines - because of the high degree of transmissibility of this virus - don't protect overly well, as it were, against infection, they protect quite well against severe disease leading to hospitalization and death. And I believe that's the reason, Neil, why at my age, being vaccinated and boosted, even though it didn't protect me against infection, I feel confident that it made a major role in protecting me from progressing to severe disease….’

Fauci admits that COVID-19 vaccines do not protect 'overly well' against infection

White House chief medical adviser Dr. Anthony Fauci expounded on COVID-19 vaccines' efficacy and breakthrough COVID infections Tuesday on "Your World."

www.foxnews.com

Nahhh, let's use science instead. It makes much more sense than conspiracy theory, personal opinions, memes, Twitter posts, nonsensical ramblings of comedians/MMA fighters/politicians with no medical training/infotainment talking heads, etc.

If you REALLY think that vaccines have no effect on keeping a virus in check, then there is obviously no changing your mind.
You'll continue to share evidence that actually shows what vaccines are and how they work successfully, but you'll interpret that evidence as somehow saying it's all some bullshit to control the world by the deep state lizard people.

I'd post historical data and info here, but you would undoubtedly retort with some idiocy about how the data is faked, or the source is controlled by the CDC, or Fauci traveled back in time to make it look like vaccines work, or some other such nonsense. Maybe include an article by a known-and-exposed fake-news conspiracy-laden website.

You're a one-trick pony. And for someone who sits in bed reading all day and claims he is so well-informed, you make it pretty obvious that you don't know squat.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Ok no problem https://www.news-medical.net/news/2...S-CoV-2-virions-even-if-COVID-vaccinated.aspx

Let me read again about polio cause it’s been a long time. My memory says that it took them over a decade to perfect it. If I got it wrong that is my bad. I know I’m not wrong about the shedding of virus between vaccinated and unvaccinated. How is that virtue feeling? Will you answer my question now? Let me also be very clear here. It’s common sense that if a vaccine triggers antibodies that you shouldn’t get as sick as before if you get the same exact virus. I’m not arguing about that part of the vaccine. All I’m stating is mandating it was wrong, me getting it didn’t do anything for anyone else, it was only for myself. I felt I didn’t need it, I got covid, it wasn’t bad at all and I’m glad I didn’t get the shot.

Edited to add, yep I was wrong on polio. It took him 7 years to develop it.

The study said that vaccinated people had lower shedding values than the unvaccinated.

But it also leaves out some additional facts about shedding that are very important to determining whether a vax helps reduce it:
1. The sicker a person is, the more they shed the virus. The vaccine has been proved to reduce the severity of illness, ergo vaccinated people do not get AS sick if they get it, so they shed less.
2. The test didn't take into account the severity of illness or the timeframe for the participants. It simply indicated they reported being sick.
3. The test doesn't account for the number of people that never contracted the virus at all because they are vaccinated. People who do not get infected do not shed the virus.

A while back, Jimi (I believe) shared the statistical data of how even small reductions in viral shedding and viral (?)load can have a large impact. It's basically the revers calculation of the old "She told two friends, and they told two friends, and soon, and so on..."
If you recall, there was a LOT of discussion in the early about keeping one's circle small in order to reduce the transmission. Whena vaccination helps a person not get the infection, it's similar results to keeping the circle small.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

‘“The CAF shirked its own purpose and rushed an untested product onto its members, mislabeled this experimental gene therapy a ‘vaccine,’ knowingly made false statements of safety and efficacy, and facilitated its mandate with no option to refuse except for mandatory permanent removal from service,” reads the statement of claim filed with the Federal Court on June 21.’

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

It's not so much that I'm in the middle. Politically, I'm more of Socialist Democrat (ie Netherlands, Denmark, etc). I don't care where people fall politically, that's a personal choice. What bothers me is the misinformation, disinformation, lies, half truths, etc. Decide what you want on the issues, but I just think those decisions should be based on facts. Unfortunately, most of the news networks barely qualify as news and usually function more like propaganda outlets. The internet is often worse than traditional media outlets.

Part of the issue with the data on Covid is you have the original variant, the delta variant and now the Omicron variant and the data is all mixed together. The Delta peak is one of the things that motivated me to get vaxxed. When Delta was kicking @$$ and taking names the data clearly indicated it was a good idea to be vaxxed (drastically lower hospitalization and death rates). OTOH, Omicron is quite effective at circumventing the vax, so we've gone from a highly effective vax to one that is marginally effective and the virus is no longer as dangerous as it once was.

The vaccines were never designed to protect against delta; the first vaccines and boosters all only targeted the original spike protein, that’s part of why vaccines didn’t work well. Literally people got like 3-4 shots of the same vaccine that only targeted the original virus, and that was part of the scam, because people were getting the shots thinking that they were going to be protected against variants. The only shot now that sort of is updated is the bivalent shot, but it’s the same problem as the flu shot; basically you have to be lucky enough to get sick with the targeted variant(s) or ot doesn’t work well. Many people correctly said at the beginning that you can’t effectively vaccinate against a Corona virus because the virus changes too rapidly; impossible to know which variants to vaccinate against, exactly. That’s exactly why there’s never been a cold vaccine. And your protection only last a few months at best. It’s just better to have natural immunity, which the “authorities” lied and said you can only get heard immunity from reaching mass vaccination.

Edit: props to your honesty about your beliefs, sir! I respect the honesty

 

[djdilliodon!]

The study said that vaccinated people had lower shedding values than the unvaccinated.

But it also leaves out some additional facts about shedding that are very important to determining whether a vax helps reduce it:
1. The sicker a person is, the more they shed the virus. The vaccine has been proved to reduce the severity of illness, ergo vaccinated people do not get AS sick if they get it, so they shed less.
2. The test didn't take into account the severity of illness or the timeframe for the participants. It simply indicated they reported being sick.
3. The test doesn't account for the number of people that never contracted the virus at all because they are vaccinated. People who do not get infected do not shed the virus.

A while back, Jimi (I believe) shared the statistical data of how even small reductions in viral shedding and viral (?)load can have a large impact. It's basically the revers calculation of the old "She told two friends, and they told two friends, and soon, and so on..."
If you recall, there was a LOT of discussion in the early about keeping one's circle small in order to reduce the transmission. Whena vaccination helps a person not get the infection, it's similar results to keeping the circle small.

I think you need to read again my friend. We all know the vaccine does nothing to prevent you from getting covid. Don’t wanna repeat myself on how in the start they said it would block it and then had to back track. We all know its purpose was to prevent death. This test clearly states there is no difference and that none pharmaceutical protocols are the best way to prevent infection and spread. Some quotes from what you supposedly read:

“Individuals infected with SARS-CoV-2 despite full vaccination have low Ct values and shed similar amounts of infectious virus as unvaccinated individuals”.

“We found no discernible correlation between Ct values in infected individuals and vaccination status. Irrespective of whether they had symptoms at the time of testing, vaccinated persons had low Ct values, with Ct values less than 25 being found in 65% of symptomatic unvaccinated individuals and in 70% of completely vaccinated symptomatic patients”.

That vaccine is for yourself. Let that virtue go, when a vaccine eradicates covid or the flu and you get both, you can get that virtue back. Even the CDC website says its purpose is to prevent the long term complications some people may experience or death. It does not say it’s to prevent the spread of covid or give you immunity from getting covid.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

‘“The CAF shirked its own purpose and rushed an untested product onto its members, mislabeled this experimental gene therapy a ‘vaccine,’ knowingly made false statements of safety and efficacy, and facilitated its mandate with no option to refuse except for mandatory permanent removal from service,” reads the statement of claim filed with the Federal Court on June 21.’

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

I don't get the soldiers suing/bitching about the vax. We are constantly getting vaxxed and carry around experimental bio/chemical antidotes for use in case of bio/chemical warfare attack. That said IIRC the US Military is letting personnel who seperated over the vax to rejoin the military.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Apparently you either didn't read it or skimmed for for talking points

I read it. And it doesn't provide any evidence that vaccines do not stop the spread of a virus.

If you want to prove that claim, then show studies that prove vaccines are ineffective against controlling a virus.
Of course, you'll have to completely ignore the polio vax, because we say how that one worked out. We wouldn't want an oulier like that to ruin the theory. Facts just get in the way sometimes.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

I read it. And it doesn't provide any evidence that vaccines do not stop the spread of a virus.

If you want to prove that claim, then show studies that prove vaccines are ineffective against controlling a virus.
Of course, you'll have to completely ignore the polio vax, because we say how that one worked out. We wouldn't want an oulier like that to ruin the theory. Facts just get in the way sometimes.

You can’t lump the polio vaccine in with mRNA covid shots; they work completely differently, different actual technology. You’re setting up a false premise, where if one says covid vaccines don’t stop the spread of covid, then no vaccines stop the spread of any virus. Covid vaccines didn’t stop the spread, because they don’t stop you from getting infected.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

‘For the first time in two decades, malaria infections have been confirmed in people who did not travel outside the United States…..Four people in Sarasota County, Fla., and one in Cameron County, Tex., were confirmed as having been infected between late May and late June through local transmission.’

MSN

‘‘The Bill Gates-backed biotech firm Oxitec is going ahead with plans to release hundreds of millions of gene-altered mosquitos in Florida…..’Oxitec — which announced a collaboration with the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation in 2018 — says the new tests could help to greatly reduce populations of the mosquito breed, which is responsible for spreading diseases such as dengue and malaria.’

A Company Just Released 150K Genetically Modified Mosquitoes in the U.S.

The experiment tests a method for reducing populations of disease-spreading mosquitos.

interestingengineering.com

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

This is a very good look at how our corrupt gov used media corporations to censor our speech to completely brainwash people about covid and vaccines for power and money. This type of gov mentality is what you see in horrible totalitarian states, like Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia, but on a scale that couldn’t have happened back then. This is extremely dangerous and evil for our gov to be doing, and everyone should be against this, because they’ll use these methods to censor anyone from talking about anything they want:

‘Twitter Files’: Ivy League Prof With No Science or Medical Credentials Advised Biden on COVID ‘Misinformation’

In “Twitter Files” documents publicized June 14, investigative journalist Paul D. Thacker revealed that Claire Wardle, Ph.D., a professor of the practice of Health Services, Policy and Practice at Brown University, advised Biden officials and social media giants as they sought to censor content...

childrenshealthdefense.org

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

This is a very good look at how our corrupt gov used media corporations to censor our speech to completely brainwash people about covid and vaccines for power and money. This type of gov mentality is what you see in horrible totalitarian states, like Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia, but on a scale that couldn’t have happened back then. This is extremely dangerous and evil for our gov to be doing, and everyone should be against this, because they’ll use these methods to censor anyone from talking about anything they want:

‘Twitter Files’: Ivy League Prof With No Science or Medical Credentials Advised Biden on COVID ‘Misinformation’

In “Twitter Files” documents publicized June 14, investigative journalist Paul D. Thacker revealed that Claire Wardle, Ph.D., a professor of the practice of Health Services, Policy and Practice at Brown University, advised Biden officials and social media giants as they sought to censor content...

childrenshealthdefense.org

And here is your source:
Children's Health Defense is an American 501(c)(3) nonprofit activist group mainly known for anti-vaccine disinformation and has been identified as one of the main sources of misinformation on vaccines.
Founded under the name World Mercury Project in 2011, it is chaired by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. The group has been campaigning against various public health programs, such as vaccination and fluoridation of drinking water. The group has been contributing to vaccine hesitancy in the United States, encouraging citizens and legislators to support anti-vaccine regulations and legislation.
Arguments against vaccination are contradicted by overwhelming scientific consensus about the safety and effectiveness of vaccines.

Go honk your nose, clown.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

This is a very good look at how our corrupt gov used media corporations to censor our speech to completely brainwash people about covid and vaccines for power and money. This type of gov mentality is what you see in horrible totalitarian states, like Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia, but on a scale that couldn’t have happened back then. This is extremely dangerous and evil for our gov to be doing, and everyone should be against this, because they’ll use these methods to censor anyone from talking about anything they want:

‘Twitter Files’: Ivy League Prof With No Science or Medical Credentials Advised Biden on COVID ‘Misinformation’

In “Twitter Files” documents publicized June 14, investigative journalist Paul D. Thacker revealed that Claire Wardle, Ph.D., a professor of the practice of Health Services, Policy and Practice at Brown University, advised Biden officials and social media giants as they sought to censor content...

childrenshealthdefense.org

Really? Again, I'd like to see what was censored that doesn't qualify as dis/misinformation - ie Russell Brand's videos stay on Youtube, Dr Campbell's (iirc) videos remain on youtube. RFK's videos get pulled. That said I don't support the censorship, but is the elimination of disinformation from SOME platforms really put us on the doorstep of becoming Nazi Germany? I don't think so.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Really? Again, I'd like to see what was censored that doesn't qualify as dis/misinformation - ie Russell Brand's videos stay on Youtube, Dr Campbell's (iirc) videos remain on youtube. RFK's videos get pulled. That said I don't support the censorship, but is the elimination of disinformation from SOME platforms really put us on the doorstep of becoming Nazi Germany? I don't think so.

And Buck is STILL confused that private websites get to say what gets posted/shared (or not) on their website.
I bet he thinks Lamar HAS to put up any and every billboard that a customer demands of them.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

And Buck is STILL confused that private websites get to say what gets posted/shared (or not) on their website.
I bet he thinks Lamar HAS to put up any and every billboard that a customer demands of them.

I think he has a legitimate point in that one could argue that youtube, twitter, etc are now "the town square" and the gov't was involved in the censorship.