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[RobGMN Premium Member]

A hypothetical situation is fully valid to understand where one’s convictions truly lie.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Reduction of something isn't prevention.

A fully vaccinated and boosted person can still catch and spread the virus. So who is to blame if I catch the Rona from a fully vaccinated and boosted person? Is it my fault even though I didn't have the virus? What if I die from this virus that I caught from this fully vaccinated and boosted person... is it their fault yet?

If all the vaccine is actually doing is reducing but not preventing then who cares who is vaccinated or not? I have never had a flu shot. I have had the flue twice my entire adult life that I know of. I am not vaccinated against the Rona. I have had it twice since Biden and his staff released it here to get mail in votes.

I don't get why this is still a topic used to shame people.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Reduction of something isn't prevention.

A fully vaccinated and boosted person can still catch and spread the virus. So who is to blame if I catch the Rona from a fully vaccinated and boosted person? Is it my fault even though I didn't have the virus? What if I die from this virus that I caught from this fully vaccinated and boosted person... is it their fault yet?

If all the vaccine is actually doing is reducing but not preventing then who cares who is vaccinated or not? I have never had a flu shot. I have had the flue twice my entire adult life that I know of. I am not vaccinated against the Rona. I have had it twice since Biden and his staff released it here to get mail in votes.

I don't get why this is still a topic used to shame people.

Reduction is a reverse geometric progression.
Think of the “they told two friends, and they told two friends, and so on” when it comes to spreading illness.

Imagine 4 people get it and each one gives it to a friend. Each new recipient gives it to a friend. After only seven cycles, that’s 32 people.
Now let’s say the vax kept one of the 4 from getting it. Now it’s 3 sick people who share with 3. In seven cycles it’s 24. Big deal, 8 less people. Right?
Add a few zeros. We could be talking 8,000 or 80,000 or 800,000 people. In a country of 330 million, geometric progression becomes big numbers. With a planet of 7.7 billion, it can be BIG numbers.

Can you drop the nonsense when you argue? Trump made the voter fraud claim and you are clinging desperately to it, despite a complete failure by everyone to prove the claim AND plenty of proof to the contrary. It’s played out and it honestly just makes you seem like a rube when you argue.
You’re much better when you stick to facts. Maybe even enjoyable to debate with.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Reduction is a reverse geometric progression.
Think of the “they told two friends, and they told two friends, and so on” when it comes to spreading illness.

Imagine 4 people get it and each one gives it to a friend. Each new recipient gives it to a friend. After only seven cycles, that’s 32 people.
Now let’s say the vax kept one of the 4 from getting it. Now it’s 3 sick people who share with 3. In seven cycles it’s 24. Big deal, 8 less people. Right?
Add a few zeros. We could be talking 8,000 or 80,000 or 800,000 people. In a country of 330 million, geometric progression becomes big numbers. With a planet of 7.7 billion, it can be BIG numbers.

Can you drop the nonsense when you argue? Trump made the voter fraud claim and you are clinging desperately to it, despite a complete failure by everyone to prove the claim AND plenty of proof to the contrary. It’s played out and it honestly just makes you seem like a rube when you argue.
You’re much better when you stick to facts. Maybe even enjoyable to debate with.

The voter fraud... yeah that is a touchy situation. Do I believe it happened? No doubt. Do I myself have proof? Nope. Corruption and greed are rampant and when you feel you are untouchable where does it stop? Republicans, guilty. Democrats, guilty. I hope there are still government officials who care more about this country than filling their pockets. I don't know that I am "clinging to it" but I do know people. People will lie, cheat and steal to get what they want. I wish it weren't true but that is human nature. I believe that if there were reasonable salary caps and term limits in government there could be less corruption as it would be easier to spot. Conflicts of interest, insider trading, shady deals, side deals... all outlawed if you hold a government position. Of course reality is different though.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

So why would there be a bunch a variants with different spike proteins when all the American vaccines are based around training the immune system to attack the spike protein? What encourages the targeting of the spike protein, and what do people keep taking?

Clearly the spike protein mutations are the virus's reaction to the US vaccines. This is one smart virus, because Delta emerged in India sans widespread use of mRNA and Omicron emerged in Africa also sans mRNA vaccines. There is only one explanation - the Lizard people.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Reduction is a reverse geometric progression.
Think of the “they told two friends, and they told two friends, and so on” when it comes to spreading illness.

Imagine 4 people get it and each one gives it to a friend. Each new recipient gives it to a friend. After only seven cycles, that’s 32 people.
Now let’s say the vax kept one of the 4 from getting it. Now it’s 3 sick people who share with 3. In seven cycles it’s 24. Big deal, 8 less people. Right?
Add a few zeros. We could be talking 8,000 or 80,000 or 800,000 people. In a country of 330 million, geometric progression becomes big numbers. With a planet of 7.7 billion, it can be BIG numbers.

Can you drop the nonsense when you argue? Trump made the voter fraud claim and you are clinging desperately to it, despite a complete failure by everyone to prove the claim AND plenty of proof to the contrary. It’s played out and it honestly just makes you seem like a rube when you argue.
You’re much better when you stick to facts. Maybe even enjoyable to debate with.

Geometric progression is why CDC encouraged masks even though their effectiveness was very limited. I think Geometric progression and exponential growth maybe a little beyond the average American's understanding. Perhaps the resistance to lock down measures and the vaccine aren't so much an indictment of our political system as it is of our educational system.

Same can be said about the stolen election. Ever audit conducted by the right has clearly shown there was no widespread voter fraud and what little fraud existed was committed by both sides. As I said before, if it were Biden claiming Trump stole the election, suddenly 40% of the nation would have much higher standard for supporting such a claim.

I don't mind people with differing political views, but when those views are rooted in dis/misinformation and willful ignorance, I find that very troubling.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

The voter fraud... yeah that is a touchy situation. Do I believe it happened? No doubt. Do I myself have proof? Nope. Corruption and greed are rampant and when you feel you are untouchable where does it stop? Republicans, guilty. Democrats, guilty. I hope there are still government officials who care more about this country than filling their pockets. I don't know that I am "clinging to it" but I do know people. People will lie, cheat and steal to get what they want. I wish it weren't true but that is human nature. I believe that if there were reasonable salary caps and term limits in government there could be less corruption as it would be easier to spot. Conflicts of interest, insider trading, shady deals, side deals... all outlawed if you hold a government position. Of course reality is different though.

I believe their salaries are reasonable enough and I don't see how term limits really improve the situation. Was there voter fraud - of course. The likelihood of either party being able to implement a plan that would involve millions of people and not get caught it beyond unlikely. What never seems to get mentioned in all this "stolen election" crap is bipartisan committees monitor the process. Kinda hard for either party to get something by the other, when they're looking over each other's shoulder. OTOH, if Biden & Co really did pull off the great steal and the GOP is too stupid to catch them, then the GOP, it's leadership and it's loyal followers are way too stupid to be in power.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

OTOH, if Biden & Co really did pull off the great steal and the GOP is too stupid to catch them, then the GOP, it's leadership and it's loyal followers are way too stupid to be in power.

A great closing line, but entirely too logical, lol.
I always said "Trump, in the role as the most powerful man in the country, could not prove a SHRED of his allegation. Yet you, Joe Citizen, KNOW without a doubt that the fraud happened and was rampant enough to alter the election by MILLIONS of votes".
Sadly, that logic is also lost on the believers.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Clearly the spike protein mutations are the virus's reaction to the US vaccines. This is one smart virus, because Delta emerged in India sans widespread use of mRNA and Omicron emerged in Africa also sans mRNA vaccines. There is only one explanation - the Lizard people.

Or just using people’s fear so you can make stacks of cash by selling them something over and over and not change it for the variants….how scientific

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Or just using people’s fear so you can make stacks of cash by selling them something over and over and not change it for the variants….how scientific

So I should never have to lift weights again once I have developed some muscle tone?
It should just last forever? That Ibuprofen I took for a headache will tide me over for life?
That's some wild shit! Think of all the time Arnold could have saved instead of going to the gym. Think of the money I could have saved on meds.
Amazing.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Or just using people’s fear so you can make stacks of cash by selling them something over and over and not change it for the variants….how scientific

They are changing it for the variants - how scientific.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

A great closing line, but entirely too logical, lol.
I always said "Trump, in the role as the most powerful man in the country, could not prove a SHRED of his allegation. Yet you, Joe Citizen, KNOW without a doubt that the fraud happened and was rampant enough to alter the election by MILLIONS of votes".
Sadly, that logic is also lost on the believers.

The lack of proof is actually embarrassing. Court cases tossed by conservative judges. Gulliani's license suspended. Audits that proved again and again that the election was indeed legit. So D'Souza concocts his 2000 Mules story and by leaving it open ended, he has ~40% of nation hanging onto this absurd fantasy.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

So I should never have to lift weights again once I have developed some muscle tone?

That is a really stupid comparison.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

‘BA.5 is known for having a structure that is maximized to evade immunity and for transmitting from person-to-person more easily than other subvariants in the omicron family.‘

‘Getting vaccinated or boosted is a good way to keep your immunity levels high and ward off severe disease. You only need to wait a few weeks after an infection to get a shot, the CDC says.’

MSN

www.msn.com

Yeah, go get the same vaccine that Omicron can evade, because that makes sense.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

'Current situation of COVID-19 demands a rapid, reliable, cost-effective, facile detection strategy to break the transmission chain and biosensor has emerged as a feasible solution for this purpose.'

'Amongst different graphene-based biosensing schemes, graphene field-effect transistor marked its unique presence owing to its ability of ultrasensitive and low-noise detection thereby facilitating instantaneous measurements even in the presence of small amounts of analytes.'

Graphene-based field-effect transistor biosensors for the rapid detection and analysis of viruses: A perspective in view of COVID-19 - PMC

Current situation of COVID-19 demands a rapid, reliable, cost-effective, facile detection strategy to break the transmission chain and biosensor has emerged as a feasible solution for this purpose. Introduction of nanomaterials has undoubtedly ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

'Graphene-based active sensors are another promising candidate to meet these requirements due to the flexibility of graphene23,24, its high expected stability25 and biocompatibility26,27, as well as its electronic properties, including a high mobility of charge carriers28,29.'

'd g-SGFET array placed on the rat cortex; the position of the reference electrode in contact with the cerebellum and two Pt-Ir electrodes at either side of the g-SGFET array are marked with arrows. e Photograph of the wireless headstage designed for these experiments.'

'The combination of behavioral and electrophysiological data has been used to assess the capabilities of the wireless recording system to monitor brain dynamics across unperturbed alternation of brain states and validate its sensitivity to detection of high-frequency oscillations associated with sparse behavioral events.'

Graphene active sensor arrays for long-term and wireless mapping of wide frequency band epicortical brain activity - Nature Communications

Graphene active sensors have emerged as a promising building block for large-scale neural interfaces. The authors evaluate their performance in terms of wide frequency band sensitivity, stability and biocompatibility and perform proof-of-concept long-term wireless recording in a freely behaving...

www.nature.com