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[Buck 5,000+ posts]

But you have conveniently left Trump out of your critiques of Covid since when??? Past year??? You certainly don't hammer on Trump like you do Fauci, who only said "take the vax;" Trump OTOH made sure it was funded, paid for and rushed thru the system.

Fauci helped develop covid, man. I’m not a trump supporter, and trump did have a huge roll in the vaccine rollout, that’s why I don’t support him. Biden and Fauci and Birx flat out lied about vaccine effectiveness. Trump is just a moron on these vaccines, it seems, and Trump isn’t president right now. If he’s president again, I’ll rag on him until he stops supporting these experimental genetic disaster shots.

Myocarditis is not common in kids (unless they got vaccinated); gtfoutta here. Excuses excuses for harming young people. Disgusting when they basically have zero risk from dying from covid, but they can get permanent heart disease from the vaccine!

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Fauci helped develop covid, man. I’m not a trump supporter, and trump did have a huge roll in the vaccine rollout, that’s why I don’t support him. Biden and Fauci and Birx flat out lied about vaccine effectiveness. Trump is just a moron on these vaccines, it seems, and Trump isn’t president right now. If he’s president again, I’ll rag on him until he stops supporting these experimental genetic disaster shots.

Myocarditis is not common in kids (unless they got vaccinated); gtfoutta here. Excuses excuses for harming young people. Disgusting when they basically have zero risk from dying from covid, but they can get permanent heart disease from the vaccine!

Myocarditis is more common in young folk (particularly males) who get Covid than those that get vaccinated. If your true concern was about young folks suffering more likely heart damage, then you would be honest about myocarditis. Myocarditis increases by 35% with the vaccine but increases by 200% with Covid. In the case of the van you chances of Myocarditis increase form .0013% to .002% with the vax and increases to .004% with Covid.

It's only disgusting if you either take the facts out of context or refuse to put them in proper context. If myocarditis is concerning, why wouldn't you take a drug the cuts your chances of getting it in half??? In particular, what possible reason would you have for not vaxxing preteen boys with EVERYTHING we know about Covid & the vax? Half the facts leads to half a$$ed conclusions.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Myocarditis is more common in young folk (particularly males) who get Covid than those that get vaccinated. If your true concern was about young folks suffering more likely heart damage, then you would be honest about myocarditis. Myocarditis increases by 35% with the vaccine but increases by 200% with Covid. In the case of the van you chances of Myocarditis increase form .0013% to .002% with the vax and increases to .004% with Covid.

It's only disgusting if you either take the facts out of context or refuse to put them in proper context. If myocarditis is concerning, why wouldn't you take a drug the cuts your chances of getting it in half??? In particular, what possible reason would you have for not vaxxing preteen boys with EVERYTHING we know about Covid & the vax? Half the facts leads to half a$$ed conclusions.

I think that’s incorrect- the vaccine is giving people heart problems, it’s a well established effect of the vaccine man. Young people don’t get sick with covid much anyways, so that doesn’t make sense to me. It has to be the vaccine.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

I'm thankful I don't live in China:

'After the controversial, two-months long coronavirus lockdown of Shanghai, China has once again placed a city of more than 20 million people under house arrest.'

'In April and May, almost 25 million people had been confined to their homes in Shanghai, with many suffering from inadequate food supply, lack of medical attention and psychological distress.'

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Myocarditis increases by 35% with the vaccine but increases by 200% with Covid.

So if I get COVID my chance of getting Myocarditis increase 200%? If I am vaxed 35%? So I have a chance of getting Myocarditis of 35% just taking the vaccine? Tell me why I would ADD to my chances of getting it by willingly taking a vaccine known to increase the chance of heart damage?

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

So if I get COVID my chance of getting Myocarditis increase 200%? If I am vaxed 35%? So I have a chance of getting Myocarditis of 35% just taking the vaccine. Tell me why I would ADD to my chances of getting it by willingly taking a vaccine known to increase the chance of heat damage?

Especially considering heart/cardiac disease is like the biggest killer in America already, before or outside of covid. Many people’s hearts are already in bad shape, and then you add the higher risk of heart issues from the covid vaccines. That seems really dangerous.

Now there’s very young kids having heart problems from the vaccines, and it’s quite disturbing.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Especially considering heart/cardiac disease is like the biggest killer in America already, before or outside of covid. Many people’s hearts are already in bad shape, and then you add the higher risk of heart issues from the covid vaccines. That seems really dangerous.

Now there’s very young kids having heart problems from the vaccines, and it’s quite disturbing.

Some people have to be told what to do... it's hard for some people to make their own decisions. Both my parents worked my whole life growing up. Nobody did anything "for us". I was outside, doing things, learning and making decisions. We challenged each other all the time to do things we knew would probably hurt us and we used peer pressure. The weak minded kids always.... ALWAYS jumped into those Florida sand spurs... not the green ones, the hard brown ones. They learned the hard way not to do stuff just because they were pressured and they lived. Now you have people pressuring people to take stuff that could kill them. Those sand spurs are much bigger now.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Some people have to be told what to do... it's hard for some people to make their own decisions. Both my parents worked my whole life growing up. Nobody did anything "for us". I was outside, doing things, learning and making decisions. We challenged each other all the time to do things we knew would probably hurt us and we used peer pressure. The weak minded kids always.... ALWAYS jumped into those Florida sand spurs... not the green ones, the hard brown ones. They learned the hard way not to do stuff just because they were pressured and they lived. Now you have people pressuring people to take stuff that could kill them. Those sand spurs are much bigger now.

There’s world wide censorship that’s keeping people from learning. A mind is a beautiful thing to waste, and ignorance kills people. I’ve had doctors greatly harm my health and the health of people I know, and that’s how I learned to question everything. A misdiagnosis + bad “medicine” and lack of doctor knowledge and support lead to a situation where I died once. I did some things that didn’t help that situation out, for sure, but the people who we’re trained to trust are idiots and not trustworthy, and I was young and in a bad situation. My own ignorance lead to my death experience, and the sad part is most people are too ignorant to understand their health and the consequences of putting trust into people who make more money the sicker that you get. Most people won’t understand how serious the health decisions they make are until something bad happens to them or a loved one around them.

I have to deal with a massive amount of pain increase and organ problems every day since due to doctor misdiagnosis and bad treatment practices. I could’ve avoided that, if I or the ones around me understood more, or if doctors were honest or actually knew wtf they were doing.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

I think that’s incorrect- the vaccine is giving people heart problems, it’s a well established effect of the vaccine man. Young people don’t get sick with covid much anyways, so that doesn’t make sense to me. It has to be the vaccine.

Yes, the vaccine can cause myocarditis in otherwise young and healthy people as does Covid. My wife works in a Cardio clinic scanning these people's hearts and they were coming in with heart issues before the vaccine was even available. These cases of myocarditis were being widely reported in the news, I'm not sure how you could have missed it.

After adjusting for patient and hospital characteristics, patients with COVID-19 during March 2020–January 2021 had, on average, 15.7 times the risk for myocarditis compared with those without COVID-19 (95% confidence interval [CI] = 14.1–17.2); by age, risk ratios ranged from approximately 7.0 for patients aged 16–39 years to >30.0 for patients aged <16 years or ≥75 years. Overall, myocarditis was uncommon among persons with and without COVID-19; however, COVID-19 was significantly associated with an increased risk for myocarditis, with risk varying by age group.

Association Between COVID-19 and Myocarditis...

Viral infections are a common cause of myocarditis. Some studies have indicated an association between COVID-19 and myocarditis.

www.cdc.gov

COVID-19 infection poses higher risk for myocarditis than vaccines

The overall risk of myocarditis was higher immediately after being infected with COVID-19 than in the weeks after vaccination for the coronavirus, new research shows.

www.heart.org

Acute myocarditis caused by COVID-19 disease and following COVID-19 vaccination

Myocarditis and pericarditis are inflammatory conditions of the heart that present a range of symptoms, often including chest pain, fatigue, breathlessness and palpitations that may be irregular due to cardiac rhythm disturbances. Myocarditis has been proposed to account for a fraction of...

openheart.bmj.com

Myocarditis risk higher after Covid infection than Pfizer or Moderna vaccination, CDC finds

Even among the highest risk group, teenage boys, the risk of cardiac conditions was higher after Covid infection than Pfizer or Moderna vaccination.

www.cnbc.com

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Yes, the vaccine can cause myocarditis in otherwise young and healthy people as does Covid. My wife works in a Cardio clinic scanning these people's hearts and they were coming in with heart issues before the vaccine was even available. These cases of myocarditis were being widely reported in the news, I'm not sure how you could have missed it.

Association Between COVID-19 and Myocarditis...

Viral infections are a common cause of myocarditis. Some studies have indicated an association between COVID-19 and myocarditis.

www.cdc.gov

COVID-19 infection poses higher risk for myocarditis than vaccines

The overall risk of myocarditis was higher immediately after being infected with COVID-19 than in the weeks after vaccination for the coronavirus, new research shows.

www.heart.org

Acute myocarditis caused by COVID-19 disease and following COVID-19 vaccination

Myocarditis and pericarditis are inflammatory conditions of the heart that present a range of symptoms, often including chest pain, fatigue, breathlessness and palpitations that may be irregular due to cardiac rhythm disturbances. Myocarditis has been proposed to account for a fraction of...

openheart.bmj.com

Myocarditis risk higher after Covid infection than Pfizer or Moderna vaccination, CDC finds

Even among the highest risk group, teenage boys, the risk of cardiac conditions was higher after Covid infection than Pfizer or Moderna vaccination.

www.cnbc.com

Why are all of those articles posted after the mass vaccination campaign? Are there any articles before the vaccines were available?

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Yes, the vaccine can cause myocarditis in otherwise young and healthy people as does Covid. My wife works in a Cardio clinic scanning these people's hearts and they were coming in with heart issues before the vaccine was even available. These cases of myocarditis were being widely reported in the news, I'm not sure how you could have missed it.

Association Between COVID-19 and Myocarditis...

Viral infections are a common cause of myocarditis. Some studies have indicated an association between COVID-19 and myocarditis.

www.cdc.gov

COVID-19 infection poses higher risk for myocarditis than vaccines

The overall risk of myocarditis was higher immediately after being infected with COVID-19 than in the weeks after vaccination for the coronavirus, new research shows.

www.heart.org

Acute myocarditis caused by COVID-19 disease and following COVID-19 vaccination

Myocarditis and pericarditis are inflammatory conditions of the heart that present a range of symptoms, often including chest pain, fatigue, breathlessness and palpitations that may be irregular due to cardiac rhythm disturbances. Myocarditis has been proposed to account for a fraction of...

openheart.bmj.com

Myocarditis risk higher after Covid infection than Pfizer or Moderna vaccination, CDC finds

Even among the highest risk group, teenage boys, the risk of cardiac conditions was higher after Covid infection than Pfizer or Moderna vaccination.

www.cnbc.com

And why would you get a vaccine that causes heart problems, when the vaccine doesn’t protect you from catching covid, especially if covid itself causes even more heart problems? That doesn’t make sense, if you want to protect your heart. The vaccine doesn’t protect you from Covid and is going to increase your risk of heart problems when you catch Covid.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

So if I get COVID my chance of getting Myocarditis increase 200%? If I am vaxed 35%? So I have a chance of getting Myocarditis of 35% just taking the vaccine? Tell me why I would ADD to my chances of getting it by willingly taking a vaccine known to increase the chance of heart damage?

Because Covid is like the flu or a cold - you're ~99.99% going to get it. Therefore you have better odds being vaxxed.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

And why would you get a vaccine that causes heart problems, when the vaccine doesn’t protect you from catching covid, especially if covid itself causes even more heart problems? That doesn’t make sense, if you want to protect your heart. The vaccine doesn’t protect you from Covid and is going to increase your risk of heart problems when you catch Covid.

The problem with trying to rewrite covid history (or present for that matter), is that Covid has to be the most covered event in human history and therefore there are just tons of facts out there about it. The other problem is that the "anti-vaxxers" seem to think those of us who got the shot are just willing lemmings in some giant experiment doing as we're told. In reality, many of us (such as myself) were hesitant about a new vaccine and new technology and put some time into researching it before deciding to get the jab.

So why would I choose the jab? Because as has been widely reported, symptoms, hospitalization, etc all decrease when you've been vaccinated. Just like the flu shot and numerous other vaccines don't grant you a magical shield, but rather just give your immune system the antibodies and blueprint to fight off the virus when you do catch it. Specifically in the case of myocarditis, we can see how much better the vaxxed group fairs than the unvaxxed group. If you conveniently assume that all cases of covid are of equal severity, then there is little reason to take the vaccine, but we know that isn't true. As I keep saying, half the facts leads to half assed conclusions.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Because Covid is like the flu or a cold - you're ~99.99% going to get it. Therefore you have better odds being vaxxed.

Well I don't know... I have had COVID twice with no vaccination and the second time I didn't even know I had it. Perhaps if enough people get vaxxed and we keep circumventing our own immune systems, yeah, the goal of being fully dependent on big pharma might just work out for them.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Why are all of those articles posted after the mass vaccination campaign? Are there any articles before the vaccines were available?

Because they're in response to misinformation from the anti-vaxxers. Something that occurs in less than 1% of 1% doesn't get a lot of coverage without reason and "you guys" gave them a reason. If you really want you can do the research yourself, but your point isn't to put out accurate information or inform yourself. Your goal is to find and spread any information you can find that makes the Covid Vaxs look bad.

You can search the UK for myocarditis as a cause of death for 2013-2020. CDC makes such data available too.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/tran...myocarditisdeathsforthelast10yearsbyageandsex

Cause of Myocarditis Regionally | Myocarditis Foundation

In developed countries, viral infections commonly cause myocarditis; however, in the developing world, rheumatic carditis, still contribute to the global burden of disease.

www.myocarditisfoundation.org

Sudden cardiac death caused by myocarditis in persons aged 1–49 years: a nationwide study of 14 294 deaths in Denmark - PMC

Myocarditis is associated with an increased risk of sudden cardiac death (SCD) in the young. However, information on nationwide burden of SCD caused by myocarditis (SCD-myocarditis) is sparse. For this study all deaths among persons in Denmark aged ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Incidence of Fatal Myocarditis: A Population-based Study in Finland

Abstract. To study the incidence of fatal myocarditis in the general population, the authors retrospectively collected all death certificates recording myocardi

academic.oup.com

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myocarditis