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[ThxOne Premium Member]

When ot comes to statistics, probability, corewllation, causation, they sure are.
Math is funny that way.

The odds of getting "tails" when you flip a coin 1,000 times are the same whether it's a penny, a toonie, a ruble, a franc, etc.

If you want to claim there can be no proof of the blue sky effect of one thing, then you say there can be no proof of a blue sky effect for anything.

That's why no one does advertising. There's no proof the adverts caused a spike in sales, right?

You should try to learn about a topic before you attempt to argue it.

FFS is the human body a mathematical probability!?!?!? The human body and how it reacts to vaccines, viruses, germs and so on is nothing like the probability of getting heads when you flip a coin. WOW biology is funny that way. You can't solve or predict everything with math Rob or statistics. Grow up already.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

So the vax didn't work because it's hard to compare mild/asymptomatic results? Red herring - people weren't getting vaxxed to avoid mild symptoms.

No, most were getting it because the government along with MSM was scaring them into getting it.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

corewllation

Wtf is that? Only an idiot misspells things ffs...

 

[djdilliodon!]

No I just don't care Rob. You are ignorant and a liar. You again make a statement that isn't true. I have not stated over and over that the vaccine has no efficacy AT ALL. Now go hunt down every single post where I say exactly that, not an inference or what you think I actually meant or a guess or whatever. Exactly that statement made over and over. I swear to Christ if you post anything other than that exact phrase over and over I am going to mail you a special gift.

Oh can I guess what the special gift is????? Is it what I’m showing below

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Cool then the two of you should stop commenting as such. The correct and accepted phrase is "Those that took the vaccines might fair better than those who didn't take the vaccines. We just don't know as we don't have any way of knowing how the vaccinated would have dealt with COVID naturally. We can only guess. Statistically, vaccines have helped in the past."

No, statistically it's pretty clear this vax was pretty effective as well. How can I say that, because we have a control group that tells how the vaccinated would have dealt with Covid naturally.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

But if someone got the vax caught covid...someone that would've had mild to no symptoms naturally...that someone counts towards the vaccine lowering the severity of covid...

And that's why we compare to a control group. That way we know how unvaxxed people respond to covid and can draw conclusions.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

No, most were getting it because the government along with MSM was scaring them into getting it.

Most? Maybe. Exaggerating effectiveness played a role too. Still doesn't mean the vaccine wasn't effective or that spreading anti-vax information is acceptable.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Most? Maybe. Exaggerating effectiveness played a role too. Still doesn't mean the vaccine wasn't effective or that spreading anti-vax information is acceptable.

Most people I've met that got vaxed admitted they were scared as fck by the news coverage...but using death totals instead of mortality rates will push a narrative...

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

And why isn’t it effective now . Boosters tweaked for variants etc . They are full of ish and the proof is readily available to show that. Which is why they dropped that talking point of it preventing you from getting it or spreading it. Too soon then to say otherwise but after “breakthrough infections” so many of them they had to let that go.

The vax isn't as effective now because Omicron is highly infectious but less deadly, which is a common evolutionary path for viruses.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

There's no real way of knowing...not a ton of asymptomatic people go out of their way to get tested for something...

And how does that invalidate the data? How does that pump up the effectiveness of the vax in the data?

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Most? Maybe. Exaggerating effectiveness played a role too. Still doesn't mean the vaccine wasn't effective or that spreading anti-vax information is acceptable.

What does that mean?

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

And how does that invalidate the data? How does that pump up the effectiveness of the vax in the data?

Absolutely it puffs of the vax...you have a group of people that already would've had mild to no symptoms naturally...but once vaxed those people will count as they vax minimized their symptoms...

 

[djdilliodon!]

The vax isn't as effective now because Omicron is highly infectious but less deadly, which is a common evolutionary path for viruses.

I simply can’t find data showing the vaccine ever prevented anyone from getting the virus. I know people personally who got vaxed with first strains and still got it. Did they put vaxed and none vaxed people in a room and fill it with the rona and exposed them say 10 min to prove it prevented the vaxed from catching it? Believe me I searched high and mighty to see proof and can’t find it, the closest I found was “it was believed to” but then they switched to say it prevents death and hospitalization which is why it should be taken. I have no argument about that part, even if it’s false. My main point is you take it for your own personal benefit, not for others, that’s the only argument I have. Why you may ask? Cause it drives people nuts

Edited to add: did more digging and even at that time it was said right from nih “vaccinated persons potentially have reduced transmissibility than infections in unvaccinated persons, although additional studies are needed”. The sample size was on 8 locations of frontline healthcare workers. Not a very big sample size like you get with 3 phases of clinical trials. They found it being 66% effective in that study. Definitely not a study to take as gospel which is why I included the quote cause even they admit that. We know now what the benefits are, the not getting or spreading the virus ship has sailed.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

No I just don't care Rob. You are ignorant and a liar. You again make a statement that isn't true. I have not stated over and over that the vaccine has no efficacy AT ALL.

“Lies”? Oh, OK. Any idea who might be posting under your account, then? Because this sure seems like you, saying the vaccine has no efficacy AT ALL.

I don’t see any qualifiers in there to indicate ANY level of efficacy. I see words like “does not”, “No”, and “never has” when you describe the efficacy of the vaccine.

Now go hunt down every single post where I say exactly that, not an inference or what you think I actually meant or a guess or whatever. Exactly that statement made over and over. I swear to Christ if you post anything other than that exact phrase over and over I am going to mail you a special gift.

See above, Forgetful Frank.
‘Can’t wait for the backpedal or spin attempts on this one.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Absolutely it puffs of the vax...you have a group of people that already would've had mild to no symptoms naturally...but once vaxed those people will count as they vax minimized their symptoms...

You’re still talking about statistics, probability, correlation, causation, when you have demonstrated you don’t even know what those things mean.
Why?