What happens when two drivers with slightly different specs are in the same airspace?

I used to be on there but have not logged on for a long time. I sold my svt 6 months ago when it was hit but I'm on the lookout for another nice one. I had just about 400,000KM on mine. She was running great too. Probably one of the most reliable cars for me. DIdnt have much done to it. KKM filter, custom exhaust with high flow cat (precats were punched), y-pipe was modded too. Koni adjustables on some BAT springs. It was an E0 and last I had it dyno'd at 255,000KM, it made 185 FWHP which isn ot bad for something with really nothing done and high mileage.

Right now I just have my daily driver which is my boring saturn ION - but at least its a stick. If I dont end up finding a nice SVT, I might decide to go back to a Fox mustang (LX coupe) like 1987-1993 body style. Ages ago I had a 1986 Mercury Capri RS 5.0L so its always on my mind too.

Very nice, I could go for the same thing with the addition of a Nautilus turbo kit. Are you on CEG?
 
Unfortunately, it is not just about the given specs that will determine the output of this idea. You have it sort of correct when you say they may couple and average, but not all parameters will have a large leniency in volume and port characteristics, so in a sense, the modeling of it may be quite inaccurate, or not far off from a single one being modeled in the same air space. The problem you encounter in some cases is each drivers ability to provide specific frequency limitations for each tone played. What this says is that there will be frequencies where the accuracy of a calculated model will be null due to phase issues and db levels due to mechanical specs from each driver. The normal increased output from adding a second driver is the common known 3db audible increase, but this may vary depending on the specific phase of each driver and when they are in phase and out of phase and by how much. This can cause small dips and peaks in the entire response that if you have the right parameters and design specs, will be audible. The ones that are inaudible will have an increased amount of low frequency distortion and can possibly, under extreme circumstances, cause a wobble effect depending on the time delay of each drivers contributing response characteristics.

Most effects of this will be inaudible to the common ear, especially when the specs are not far off from each other, but it is unlikely that every specification will be nearly identical, though possible. That being said, I think others will agree that two separate drivers of different parameters are not recommended for those reasons.

One of the possible noticable effects will be tuning characteristics shown through excursion movement. You may notice, if the parameters are off enough from each other, that during the calculated tuning, one will be on key, and one may be off a bit for minimal xmax at resonance in a conventional design and even in tlines. This can be bad because if excursion control is not equal, the ability to determine cutoff is null and the c,calculation of max power applied will limit the in tuned driver to control the xmax limitations of the out of tune driver so not to damage it. So, a possible Loss on output may be needed to operate both under usable conditions.

These, of course, are extreme measures, but possible and too much of a risk when dealing with different specs needing different parameters of volume and area to control response, phase, xmax, power handling, impedance, etc.

Not something I would calculate for though it is possible through testing. And I have done a bit of testing on it already to find a lot of inaccuracies in the calculations to achieve a given response. This was done with two drivers of even the same model with one broken in and one not....with identical results.

Bottom line.....not worth it.
I did not read this at all as I am not interested in this at the moment, but just wanted to give props for taking the time to explain something so extensively. We need more people like you here.

 
You've just hit on one of the reasons I argue with "break in" nonsense. Those sort of differences in specs are consistant with manufacturing tolerances from one speaker to the next. I highly suspect you'd never notice the difference if you were to hand select two drivers with precisely the same specs.
Also keep in mind you may not have even gotten accurate measurements when you tested. Run the same speaker a few times and you'll probably get some degree of varience just there.
when i test with the wt3 i usually run the tests 10x or so and it doesn't very much. Typically within 1%.

 
when i test with the wt3 i usually run the tests 10x or so and it doesn't very much. Typically within 1%.
the wt3 is an amazing piece of equipment as long as it is calibrated correctly. Typically, within two tests, you should have the correct parameters. Very nice. I do the same as well though, doing multiple tests, and then I average them out if any parameters are changed, and/or I take the ones that are repeditive.

 
I did not read this at all as I am not interested in this at the moment, but just wanted to give props for taking the time to explain something so extensively. We need more people like you here.
Thank you for the support. I try to give more info than usual in case something is missed, but there are lots of things I cannot discuss, so try to help as much as possible in my field. I appreciate the kind words....a lot.

 
I'm trying to keep up with getting some instructionals going that will help a lot of people, but with full time work, kids, school, wife, and the business......im pretty busy, lol. But hopefully in the near future I will get some time to make some vids, or posts that will open up some eyes. And ill keep them easy to understand, I promise,lol. As easy as they can be anyhow, without losing accuracy. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

By the way, OP, did you get the answers you were looking for from the original question(s)?

 
lol yea i fully understand your situation man! glad to see that ur still awake at this time! and most of the time people will have a tendecy to learn more from watching than reading you break it down more than just letters! hope you dont break your promises!

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I'm trying to keep up with getting some instructionals going that will help a lot of people, but with full time work, kids, school, wife, and the business......im pretty busy, lol. But hopefully in the near future I will get some time to make some vids, or posts that will open up some eyes. And ill keep them easy to understand, I promise,lol. As easy as they can be anyhow, without losing accuracy. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif
By the way, OP, did you get the answers you were looking for from the original question(s)?
 
lol yea i fully understand your situation man! glad to see that ur still awake at this time! and most of the time people will have a tendecy to learn more from watching than reading you break it down more than just letters! hope you dont break your promises!
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lol, alright. Well, consider it a promise then. What I might do is create a question of the day and let other in on the answers also. I have ideas.....just need the time. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 
the only thing I see backfiring on that is...1. There will be some that simply won't care and just want something loud and 2.....those who also design that might end up increasing their knowledge making my competition tougher (I know I sound so selfish right now,lol). But for the first, the tough part would be explaining those answers and changes in a simplified way, considering the behind the scenes is not that simple. For the second, i should be able to be ok with this on most questions answered....we will see.

The thing this, there are a lot of designers right now, and a lot of potentials. I am wondering how many of them know what i know. The curiosity is unfortunately based on a business standpoint as it should be, and nothing with any personal aspects. But again, there are those who will not care what i know, and will go elsewhere because the details may be less and easier for them to grasp....giving a less accurate sense of confidence in the designing. We cannot just trust someone's words on the knowledge, but even then.....as mentioned in previous posts....the ears are very forgiving.....so how much of my knowledge is really a positive thing for people.

I either scare them off, or am able to show them the real differences between a good design and a great one. And i am hoping that these videos and questions,etc will prove how much i am involved in these design accuracies.

There are some factors that i calculate for that most do not know even exist and since those are not known to anyone else but me.....i seem to be no different to the average consumer.

So i hope what i do on this forum will always be respected because i put a lot of time and study about what i post.

 
Moble's posts keep me up at night //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/uhoh.gif.c07307dd22ee7e63e22fc8e9c614d1fd.gif
LMAO nice. Well, I'm glad they keep you interested at least! Sorry for the late nighters though, lol. 2am to me is like 12am to everyone else //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 
I used to be on there but have not logged on for a long time. I sold my svt 6 months ago when it was hit but I'm on the lookout for another nice one. I had just about 400,000KM on mine. She was running great too. Probably one of the most reliable cars for me. DIdnt have much done to it. KKM filter, custom exhaust with high flow cat (precats were punched), y-pipe was modded too. Koni adjustables on some BAT springs. It was an E0 and last I had it dyno'd at 255,000KM, it made 185 FWHP which isn ot bad for something with really nothing done and high mileage.
Not bad power for untuned and high miles. I used to hang out on CEG all the time until I got into audio. I just went to my first Spring Zing this past year. The forums have been down for a month, they got it fixed for a day or two about a week ago then it went down again.

 
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