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[Lugnutz 10+ year member]

jeter pwns larkin

I just copied and pasted a post I made in the MLB thread

I interpret you saying two years as meaning just that. I do not know that 2 years could mean 3-5. I posted the stats and I will post again the stats and you tell me where there are major difference. Your replies to anyone disagreeing with your parroting of ESPN is to insult them which indicates you are in way over your head. I originally didn't even make the Larkin reference. It was based on Bill James formula (Being a so-called stat guru, you should know who Bill James is) So Timmy, tell me how Jeter isn't only marginally better then Larkin:

Hits 2340, BA 295, HR 198, OBP 371, Slugging 444, OPS 815, OPS+ 116

Hits 2535, BA 316, HR 206, OBP 387, Slugging 458, OPS 835, OPS+ 120

Again, here are the players and the formula used by Bill James to do similarity scores:

1. Barry Larkin (901)

2. Alan Trammell (876)

3. Ryne Sandberg (870) *

4. Roberto Alomar (866)

5. Ray Durham (855)

6. Lou Whitaker (842)

7. Julio Franco (838)

8. Joe Torre (834)

9. Johnny Damon (824)

10. Bobby Doerr (818) *

Similarity Scores
Similarity scores are not my concept. Bill James introduced them nearly 15 years ago, and I lifted his methodology from his book The Politics of Glory (p. 86-106). To compare one player to another, start at 1000 points and then you subtract points based on the statistical differences of each player.

Batters

* One point for each difference of 20 games played.

* One point for each difference of 75 at bats.

* One point for each difference of 10 runs scored.

* One point for each difference of 15 hits.

* One point for each difference of 5 doubles.

* One point for each difference of 4 triples.

* One point for each difference of 2 home runs.

* One point for each difference of 10 RBI.

* One point for each difference of 25 walks.

* One point for each difference of 150 strikeouts.

* One point for each difference of 20 stolen bases.

* One point for each difference of .001 in batting average.

* One point for each difference of .002 in slugging percentage.

To this there is a positional adjustment. Each position has a value, and you subtract the difference between the two players position. James just uses primary position, but I computed an average position for players who had more than one primary position. (See Ernie Banks)

* 240 - Catcher

* 168 - Shortstop

* 132 - Second Base

* 84 - Third Base

* 48 - Outfield (James distinguishes, but I don't have that data incorporated at the moment)

* 12 - First Base

* 0 - DH

So please enlighten me stat wizard, on how Jeter is so much greater then Larkin.

 

[endofdays89 5,000+ posts]

i dont care about mr james' formula. Jeter bats 21 points higher for his career, end of story.

And he is better in every category. Except strikeouts

 

[Lugnutz 10+ year member]

i dont care about mr james' formula. Jeter bats 21 points higher for his career, end of story.
And he is better in every category. Except strikeouts

Over 7937 at-bats, that 21 points equals 169 hits. All of Jeter's stats are only marginally better then Larkin's. Larkin also walked 126 more times so that makes up in part for the lack in batting average.

Hell Larkin even pwns Jeter is personal awards

Silver Sluggers

Jeter 3

Larkin 9

MVP

Jeter 0

Larkin 1

Gold Gloves

Jeter 3

Larkin 3

 

[endofdays89 5,000+ posts]

Over 7937 at-bats, that 21 points equals 169 hits. All of Jeter's stats are only marginally better then Larkin's. Larkin also walked 126 more times so that makes up in part for the lack in batting average.
Hell Larkin even pwns Jeter is personal awards

Silver Sluggers

Jeter 3

Larkin 9

MVP

Jeter 0

Larkin 1

Gold Gloves

Jeter 3

Larkin 3

personal awards dont mean shit. If they did then pujols would have 6 mvps by now.

 

[Lugnutz 10+ year member]

personal awards dont mean shit. If they did then pujols would have 6 mvps by now.

Don't you find it odd though that your claimed top 20 greatest player who played in a huge market like New York, on a team that was perennial pennant contenders, has not won an MVP? but a guy who played in a small market like Cincinnati did? You still didn't even address the marginal differences in stats. Being a stat guru and supposed baseball expert, I thought you were going to school me. Come on Timmy.