This is some Bull $hit! F'in' Government...

[docutech 10+ year member]

I know, I was just trying to reason with a retard //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 

[hollowpoint 10+ year member]

Indeed... I think that taxing the guy for the ball if he keeps it is ridiculous. Now, if he sells it... sure, that is income. But if he keeps it? He didn't make any money yet... tax him if he sells it but not for keeping a **** baseball.

I agree with yah 100%, our government is argh:verymad: //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/verymad.gif.3f39c5c2fd57527b671fad3efdfac756.gif ...they're just plain out effin stupid with some crrap. I mean like come on he caught the ball, does every home run catch have to be taxed now? What about those tee shirts the stadium sometimes shoots into the crowd? Should that be taxed too? SO what if it is worth money, it was a "gift" we dont tax gifts to others. Man the goverment is just jealous they miss all the fun.

 

[mokedaddy 5,000+ posts]

Yes its crap if they make him pay taxes on the ball if he doesnt sell it but this is also only from a tax lawyer not the IRS. Im sure they havent decided what they are going to tax him on if at all. And if you read the article his is from Queens he was just on his way to Australia.

 

[wesl56 10+ year member]

I agree with yah 100%, our government is argh:verymad: //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/verymad.gif.3f39c5c2fd57527b671fad3efdfac756.gif ...there just plain out effin stupid with some crrap

some? heh heh //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 

[IgnoreMe 5,000+ posts]

some? heh heh //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif most definatly

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

this sounds like the type of problem i wish i had.

I mean come on.. even if they tax his ass the 200K...and that isn't even a sure thing yet.... he is still up 400K.. i feel so fukkin bad for him.

 

[KickerSoItBump 10+ year member]

As long as they keep taxing us poor ppl to death its cool w/ me.

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[bds0688 10+ year member]

this sounds like the type of problem i wish i had.
I mean come on.. even if they tax his ass the 200K...and that isn't even a sure thing yet.... he is still up 400K.. i feel so fukkin bad for him.

What if he doesn't want to sell it? It's not like he came from Australia to see a game to make money. I'm sure that ball is worth a tremendous amount to him, emotionally.

But it may not be worth 200K in taxes he'd have to pay should he not sell it.

 

[saywhat? 5,000+ posts]

What if he doesn't want to sell it? It's not like he came from Australia to see a game to make money. I'm sure that ball is worth a tremendous amount to him, emotionally.
But it may not be worth 200K in taxes he'd have to pay should he not sell it.

now it would be one thing if he actually came from Australia...

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

What if he doesn't want to sell it? It's not like he came from Australia to see a game to make money. I'm sure that ball is worth a tremendous amount to him, emotionally.
But it may not be worth 200K in taxes he'd have to pay should he not sell it.

I don't really give a fuk if he wanted to keep it, too dam bad. Worst case scenario he made at least 400K.

Besides the IRS hasn't even said that he will have to pay taxes on it should he decide to keep it.

Unless he comes from old money, in which case it doesn't matter, i cant imagine him not wanting to sell the thing. I mean its a fukkin baseball and he is a college student; he is a retard who should die if he doesn't want to sell it.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

Basically it is like winning the fukkin lottery and people have to pay taxes on that.

 

[IgnoreMe 5,000+ posts]

Basically it is like winning the fukkin lottery and people have to pay taxes on that.

true...but would you still have to pay taxes if you denied the lottery money?

i know he is not necessarily being taxed yet...this is a what if

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

true...but would you still have to pay taxes if you denied the lottery money?
i know he is not necessarily being taxed yet...this is a what if

I don't think that is a valid comparison because he isn't trying to give the ball back. If he did give the ball back he wouldn't have to pay taxes, the IRS has already said that.

 

[IgnoreMe 5,000+ posts]

imo, its a valid comparison.

if you win the lottery, you get money and are taxed on it. if you deny it, your income in no different than it were before and will not get taxed.

if he caught the ball and sold it, he has increased his income and the govt is entitled to get their dues. if he keeps it, its not necessarily worth anything, as he didnt get any money. its just a ball. yet they might still tax him.

just how i feel about it

edit: where did they say that they have decided not to tax him? i thought i read it was up in the air?

double edit: this is the only thing i read about the IRS

"But for its part, the IRS seems reluctant to clear up the confusion."

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

imo, its a valid comparison.
if you win the lottery, you get money and are taxed on it. if you deny it, your income in no different than it were before and will not get taxed.

if he caught the ball and sold it, he has increased his income and the govt is entitled to get their dues. if he keeps it, its not necessarily worth anything, as he didnt get any money. its just a ball. yet they might still tax him.

just how i feel about it

edit: where did they say that they have decided not to tax him? i thought i read it was up in the air?

double edit: this is the only thing i read about the IRS

"But for its part, the IRS seems reluctant to clear up the confusion."

As Mark McGwire chased the mark for most home runs in a season in 1998, IRS officials initially said the ball that broke Roger Maris' long-standing record could be subject to taxes even if it were returned to McGwire. The statements were ridiculed by politicians and quickly disavowed by the agency's top brass.

So if he gives the ball back, he wouldn't have to pay taxes. If he keeps if, he might have to pay them.

Your comparison isn't valid because winning the lottery and not accepting the ticket is more comparable to catching the ball and giving it back... and that means no taxes.

His deciding to keep the ball and being taxed on it is more comparable to winning a **** load of prizes on a game show. If you win a bunch of prizes and decide to keep them, someone is going to pay the taxes. It might be the show, but someone will pay.

 

[IgnoreMe 5,000+ posts]

So if he gives the ball back, he wouldn't have to pay taxes. If he keeps if, he might have to pay them.


Your comparison isn't valid because winning the lottery and not accepting the ticket is more comparable to catching the ball and giving it back... and that means no taxes.

His deciding to keep the ball and being taxed on it is more comparable to winning a **** load of prizes on a game show. If you win a bunch of prizes and decide to keep them, someone is going to pay the taxes. It might be the show, but someone will pay.

yea but the prizes have a market value that is easily established. when you win a car you pay taxes on it because its worth 30k at a dealer. when you win a 54" plasma tv on a game show you pay taxes because its worth 4000 or whatever at a store.

a baseball is only worth $5 at a store. and just cause a few collectors value it at 600k he is subjected to 200k of taxes?

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

yea but the prizes have a market value that is easily established. when you win a car you pay taxes on it because its worth 30k at a dealer. when you win a 54" plasma tv on a game show you pay taxes because its worth 4000 or whatever at a store.
a baseball is only worth $5 at a store. and just cause a few collectors value it at 600k he is subjected to 200k of taxes?

Again an invalid comparison.

That is like saying that winning a cash prize shouldn't be taxed because it is only paper.

Sport memorabilia has a value and that value can be easily assessed.

You were originally arguing that keeping the baseball would be like not claiming the lottery money. I would like to point out that you have shifted your argument without conceding i was correct when I showed you were using a faulty comparison.

Care to try again?

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[andytb 10+ year member]

theres no way they will be able to tax him if he doesnt sell it

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

theres no way they will be able to tax him if he doesnt sell it

And you know this because?

People pay taxes on game show winnings all the time.

What is the difference?

 

[IgnoreMe 5,000+ posts]

Again an invalid comparison.
That is like saying that winning a cash prize shouldn't be taxed because it is only paper.

Sport memorabilia has a value and that value can be easily assessed.

You were originally arguing that keeping the baseball would be like not claiming the lottery money. I would like to point out that you have shifted your argument without conceding i was correct when I showed you were using a faulty comparison.

Care to try again?

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thats because i think my logic is still correct you hate monger