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[Goindef154 5,000+ posts]

There are plenty of other alternative fuel consuming vehicles available on the market. I'm mostly just trying to say that we can't just sit here and blame one person for every **** up. Wasn't trying to bash the guy or anything. Shit I drive a 4cyl. pickup lol.

 

[Korn4Life 5,000+ posts]

I highly recommend everyone watch "LOOSE CHANGE" on you tube, they also have the FINAL CUT from loose change ... Very good info on all things that lead up to 9/11 and how it was an inside job

 

[Hintzyboy 5,000+ posts]

I didn't say electric. I'm not bashing americans //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif just think that we could look at other alternatives with interest rather than just going with the flow.

What alternatives are readily available to the average american? Again, keeping in mind peopl who have to commute or travel for work. Or people who have to travel more than a couple miles for school.

What about people who live in small towns who need to drive an hour to find a decent place to shop or to get to a decent hospital or to do any number of things. I suppose we're all supposed to make our own clothes out of our grass clippings and cure our ailments with different homeade tonics

 

[Goindef154 5,000+ posts]

And what else is he supposed to use? Not everyone lives close enough to work to bike or walk. Last time I checked, there weren't any horse posts outside office buildings.

I drive 75 miles atleast everyday (mon-fri) and as soon as I can I'm getting a more econimically useful vehicle. It's not a big deal to most people but I'm trying to do my part in trying not to be so dependant on oil, foreign and domestic. Just my opinion.

 

[Hintzyboy 5,000+ posts]

There are plenty of other alternative fuel consuming vehicles available on the market. I'm mostly just trying to say that we can't just sit here and blame one person for every **** up. Wasn't trying to bash the guy or anything. Shit I drive a 4cyl. pickup lol.

Name 5 EFFECTIBE alternative fuel vehicles that are mass produced. I understand that not one person is to blame, but you also can't blame people for doing what they have to do to live their lives. This (soaring oil prices and decreasing supplies) is really the only way alternative fuels were ever going to get attention. And the same will be true when those start to become obsolete.

 

[Hintzyboy 5,000+ posts]

I drive 75 miles atleast everyday (mon-fri) and as soon as I can I'm getting a more econimically useful vehicle. It's not a big deal to most people but I'm trying to do my part in trying not to be so dependant on oil, foreign and domestic. Just my opinion.

And that's a good thing. But it's not like you're converting to biodiesel and raiding Burger King grease traps.

 

[Goindef154 5,000+ posts]

What alternatives are readily available to the average american? Again, keeping in mind peopl who have to commute or travel for work. Or people who have to travel more than a couple miles for school.
What about people who live in small towns who need to drive an hour to find a decent place to shop or to get to a decent hospital or to do any number of things. I suppose we're all supposed to make our own clothes out of our grass clippings and cure our ailments with different homeade tonics

You're looking more into this than I am. The only thing I'm trying to do that's more econimically safe is getting a car that is better on gas or uses another fuel source, I probably kill a thousand trees a day with as much paper as I use lol. And see my other post for how much I drive. I have put, I shit you not, 35,000 miles on my truck in a year and a half.

 

[Goindef154 5,000+ posts]

Name 5 EFFECTIBE alternative fuel vehicles that are mass produced. I understand that not one person is to blame, but you also can't blame people for doing what they have to do to live their lives. This (soaring oil prices and decreasing supplies) is really the only way alternative fuels were ever going to get attention. And the same will be true when those start to become obsolete.

Ethanol fuel, Electric(not so great for longer distances), hybrid(Fuel cell and electric mixed, kinda the same as electric), Water cells(they are progressing quickly), Biodiesel(there's a lot of McD's out here lol). And the rest of your statement I completely agree with. Again I'm just stating my own conclusions on things, not what other people should think by any means.

 

[Hintzyboy 5,000+ posts]

You're looking more into this than I am. The only thing I'm trying to do that's more econimically safe is getting a car that is better on gas or uses another fuel source, I probably kill a thousand trees a day with as much paper as I use lol. And see my other post for how much I drive. I have put, I shit you not, 35,000 miles on my truck in a year and a half.

I just went off when I saw the "No one forced you to buy a gas consuming vehicle". You can see why I would react strongly to that, especially when the opposite is true.

Now, if you had said something like "No one force you to buy a gas guzzler" I probably wouldn't have looked twice. Only a very small percentage of people HAVE to use low-efficiency vehicles to make a living (farmers, truckers, etc).

 

[Goindef154 5,000+ posts]

I just went off when I saw the "No one forced you to buy a gas consuming vehicle". You can see why I would react strongly to that, especially when the opposite is true.
Now, if you had said something like "No one force you to buy a gas guzzler" I probably wouldn't have looked twice. Only a very small percentage of people HAVE to use low-efficiency vehicles to make a living (farmers, truckers, etc).

I agree, he just kinda got defensive all the sudden when I was agreeing with what he was saying lol. So I said that.

 

[Hintzyboy 5,000+ posts]

Ethanol fuel, Electric(not so great for longer distances), hybrid(Fuel cell and electric mixed, kinda the same as electric), Water cells(they are progressing quickly), Biodiesel(there's a lot of McD's out here lol). And the rest of your statement I completely agree with. Again I'm just stating my own conclusions on things, not what other people should think by any means.

Ethanol takes more energy to produce than it provides. Electric cars are not really available, although a couple (Chevy Volt for one) are coming out for the public in a couple years. Hybrids are a joke. The Audi TT Turbodiesel gets better mileage than a Toyota Prius, and is a sports car. Biodiesel is not much of a solution (until we each get our own personal mcdonalds to steal from).

And again, while new tech is rapidly coming out. There are very few examples of any of these solutions that actually function well

 

[Goindef154 5,000+ posts]

I'm not a big fan of electric or hybrids either just brought them up for examples. I'm honestly intrigued by ethanol fuel, I've read many things on how bad and how good it is, if it's widely available like in the mid-west it's cheaper than using gas and it burns almost completely emissions free, I've heard you get a loss in power but that wouldn't really effect me too much since I'd just buy a vette if I wanted something fast //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[Goindef154 5,000+ posts]

I also like the idea of water cell, I haven't read too much into it but I've heard that the mass transit system out here in LA is going to switch or already has switched some of the busses to water cell vehicles, can't imagine it would cost too much for a gallon of it either. But like I said I don't really know anything about it.

 

[Hintzyboy 5,000+ posts]

I'm not a big fan of electric or hybrids either just brought them up for examples. I'm honestly intrigued by ethanol fuel, I've read many things on how bad and how good it is, if it's widely available like in the mid-west it's cheaper than using gas and it burns almost completely emissions free, I've heard you get a loss in power but that wouldn't really effect me too much since I'd just buy a vette if I wanted something fast //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

The problem with ethanol is that it cost more energy to produce a usable fuel than you can get in the end product.

I'm putting my money on methanol (figuratively). It is easier to produce, and is made from renewable, non-food based sources. The EPA has done testing with Methanol in VW diesel engines with some pretty interesting results.

Methanol also solves one of the main problems posed by the ideas of electic cars, hydrogen cars, etc. No need to spend over a trillion dollars revamping our fueling infrastructure. We can store, ship, and dispense it in almost exactly the same way we do gasoline.

 

[Goindef154 5,000+ posts]

That is true. I like the sugar cane idea that Brazil is using, they have thousands of acres of sugar cane which turns into ethanol and they use the steam that burning the sugar cane produces to fuel the machines to burn it(hope that makes sense), that to me is just awesome. I like the methanol idea as well I've read some stuff on that too and it also seems very cost effective. I do agree that using corn is not as cost effective as using another source(such as sugar cane) could be.