Awww.... I will do yet more reasearch/and stuff before I make my final desicion... this other Civic at my college is SOOO LOW on just springs... No idea how he did it... I was talking to him... claimed his springs were 600 //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gifDunno, it was lowered when my step brother bought it.My tires wear just fine without a camber kit and i havent seen any accords that are a low as mine