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<blockquote data-quote="iamaaron" data-source="post: 8447916" data-attributes="member: 667967"><p>at the moment i have 2 jl 12w3's on an alpine m110, alpine type r components on a rf prime 600 4 ch with a pioneer avhx5700 head unit.</p><p></p><p>i had these memphis 6x9s that were dirt cheap because i didn't think for a second the components alone could handle the front stage--i was wrong. the 6x9's sounded terrible, disconnected, not a problem after adjusting time alignment on the hu.</p><p></p><p>anyway.</p><p></p><p>i have my car completely deadened w/CCF over butyl/alum. 100mil. i enjoy every ride i take, don't get me wrong, but i'm looking for more output on the low end of the frequency spectrum. i have been looking hard at 2 alpine type r 15"s and scooping another m110 so each gets their own amp. i was strongly considering a single sundown x15 v.2 and scv-1500.</p><p></p><p>it'll be a couple months before i actually pull the trigger, and i was just out measuring my cargo space (i like to plan VERY far ahead for this stuff) and based on what i'm looking to do i don't think i have the space to properly stash 2 15s/1 15 that requires as many cubes as 2. ive passively combed through forums for a long time, but i get lost in the back-and-forth that occurs about "what is/what is not" and never get any kind of information that really resonates in my head.</p><p></p><p>cone area = important</p><p></p><p>excursion = important</p><p></p><p>enclosure = important</p><p></p><p>voice coil diameter = important</p><p></p><p>clean power = important</p><p></p><p>i get it. i REALLY do.</p><p></p><p>i drive a 2000 honda accord ex-l v6 sedan. i am going to build my own enclosure for whatever i get, and i REALLY want to retain my spare tire space. i am very frustrated because i know there's enough room in theory, but there are bracing bars below the rear deck that restrict head room for the box, and if i use what i can to fit an optimum enclosure in there it will consume my entire trunk. i am planning on using fiberglass for various objectives (reinforcement/walls of enclosure itself) on this build, so irregular shape is not a concern.</p><p></p><p>i REALLY want to FEEL the low frequencies, but also be able to set a crossover at around 100hz for balance on the mid range. i like the w3s a lot, but they don't reproduce low frequencies that i'm looking for. i don't have any intention of competing for any reason, i just want to feel those LOW lows in my seat, i want the punchy 40-60hz range to beat up my sternum. my car is ready for more and will not resonate and cause distortion and i want clean low end that will chatter my teeth.</p><p></p><p>FINALLY.</p><p></p><p>my actual question:</p><p></p><p>a) are there any 12s (or aspects of 12s) that, if i got 2, would give me that which i am looking for?</p><p></p><p>b) would a single 15 (aspects as well) give it to me, or would i need 2 for the sound/feel i'm looking for?</p><p></p><p>i word vomited because i want my situation to be very clear to anyone that pays me mind. i've done calculations on enclosure volume for the 2 alpine 15s and i just don't think i can house the cubes necessary to give them the space they need (let alone the x15s--i was thinking 2 of them for a second on the scv-3000). i understand t/s parameters to a point, but i certainly am no expert.</p><p></p><p>i want to make the right decision. i joined this forum, which is a first for me, because i refuse to be "that guy" that goes into my local shop and continually ask questions without any intention of giving them a cent--it's a bad look.</p><p></p><p>sub price range:</p><p></p><p>amp price range:</p><p></p><p>(*-amazon pricing, NOT retail)</p><p></p><p>thanks for reading all that, even if you don't respond!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="iamaaron, post: 8447916, member: 667967"] at the moment i have 2 jl 12w3's on an alpine m110, alpine type r components on a rf prime 600 4 ch with a pioneer avhx5700 head unit. i had these memphis 6x9s that were dirt cheap because i didn't think for a second the components alone could handle the front stage--i was wrong. the 6x9's sounded terrible, disconnected, not a problem after adjusting time alignment on the hu. anyway. i have my car completely deadened w/CCF over butyl/alum. 100mil. i enjoy every ride i take, don't get me wrong, but i'm looking for more output on the low end of the frequency spectrum. i have been looking hard at 2 alpine type r 15"s and scooping another m110 so each gets their own amp. i was strongly considering a single sundown x15 v.2 and scv-1500. it'll be a couple months before i actually pull the trigger, and i was just out measuring my cargo space (i like to plan VERY far ahead for this stuff) and based on what i'm looking to do i don't think i have the space to properly stash 2 15s/1 15 that requires as many cubes as 2. ive passively combed through forums for a long time, but i get lost in the back-and-forth that occurs about "what is/what is not" and never get any kind of information that really resonates in my head. cone area = important excursion = important enclosure = important voice coil diameter = important clean power = important i get it. i REALLY do. i drive a 2000 honda accord ex-l v6 sedan. i am going to build my own enclosure for whatever i get, and i REALLY want to retain my spare tire space. i am very frustrated because i know there's enough room in theory, but there are bracing bars below the rear deck that restrict head room for the box, and if i use what i can to fit an optimum enclosure in there it will consume my entire trunk. i am planning on using fiberglass for various objectives (reinforcement/walls of enclosure itself) on this build, so irregular shape is not a concern. i REALLY want to FEEL the low frequencies, but also be able to set a crossover at around 100hz for balance on the mid range. i like the w3s a lot, but they don't reproduce low frequencies that i'm looking for. i don't have any intention of competing for any reason, i just want to feel those LOW lows in my seat, i want the punchy 40-60hz range to beat up my sternum. my car is ready for more and will not resonate and cause distortion and i want clean low end that will chatter my teeth. FINALLY. my actual question: a) are there any 12s (or aspects of 12s) that, if i got 2, would give me that which i am looking for? b) would a single 15 (aspects as well) give it to me, or would i need 2 for the sound/feel i'm looking for? i word vomited because i want my situation to be very clear to anyone that pays me mind. i've done calculations on enclosure volume for the 2 alpine 15s and i just don't think i can house the cubes necessary to give them the space they need (let alone the x15s--i was thinking 2 of them for a second on the scv-3000). i understand t/s parameters to a point, but i certainly am no expert. i want to make the right decision. i joined this forum, which is a first for me, because i refuse to be "that guy" that goes into my local shop and continually ask questions without any intention of giving them a cent--it's a bad look. sub price range: amp price range: (*-amazon pricing, NOT retail) thanks for reading all that, even if you don't respond! [/QUOTE]
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