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<blockquote data-quote="audioholic" data-source="post: 2826610" data-attributes="member: 549629"><p>Warbleed is 100% right, sorry guys. DD hasn't posted their xmax figures ever, because to the average person they would look less than stellar. Maybe DD would if they also put an asterisk that says: hey idiots, xmax isn't everything, especially in SPL.</p><p></p><p>Guys, DD builds subs that, for the most part, are meant to play at/near tuning in a vented system, burping for relatively brief periods of time. If you suggest the 9500's purpose is anything else but that, well then you need to move to the back of the classroom right now.</p><p></p><p>That is not to say a 9500 (or similar) cannot work in a daily setup, but it WILL come with its drawbacks: poor SQ, cooling system not intended for daily use, and less over all displacement potential. Dont like it, too bad, that's reality guys.</p><p></p><p>Relatively low xmax drivers that can soak up LOTS of power like the 9500's are gonna do great 'in the lanes', but when playing music with its transient peaks/valleys and continuously varying frequency responses, those types of drivers simply dont do as well, that's not their intended purpose.</p><p></p><p>A couple people here want everyone to believe this is only about people being fans, or anti-fans of DD. Are you people smoking crack? DD is not the center of the universe and people's motives do not revolve around making or breaking Digital Designs online reputation.</p><p></p><p>Lets see, a couple guys get bent when Warbleed states some facts that shed a less than stellar light on their brand name subs. Then these DD owners claim its because of an anti-bias against DD. Who has the vested interest here guys? Hmmm? The guy who does not own a DD sub (that I know of... Warbleed), or the guys who do own their subs and are defending them?</p><p></p><p>luv2bass, your last question (and only real comment) in your post was why is Warbleed still arguing with you. Uhm, because he is right, and you are just acting like an *** because you dont like the facts? Or do you really think your sarcastic (and not funny) post really contributed anything real and helpful to this discussion? I agree, he shouldn't argue with you anymore, you dont even pose any arguement worth disputing.</p><p></p><p>The real bias here is FOR DD. Personally, Im a big DD fan, but I know their intended uses, and their limitations. Im not some noob who thinks the 9500 can (and does) own in the SPL lanes, then turn around and make a 'great sounding' daily driver sub. The guys running MT's daily love trying to convince us they sound 'great' too. To thoise people Id ask, do you really know what 'great' sounds like. Ive heard alot of 9500 setups by now, many were "daily" setups (lol right), Ive heard a few that sounded pretty decent... Ive never heard any that sounded anywhere near 'great'. Eventhough most of those systems' owners had assured me they did indeed sound great. I guess people who buy SPL subs have pretty low standards for what 'great' sounding is.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="audioholic, post: 2826610, member: 549629"] Warbleed is 100% right, sorry guys. DD hasn't posted their xmax figures ever, because to the average person they would look less than stellar. Maybe DD would if they also put an asterisk that says: hey idiots, xmax isn't everything, especially in SPL. Guys, DD builds subs that, for the most part, are meant to play at/near tuning in a vented system, burping for relatively brief periods of time. If you suggest the 9500's purpose is anything else but that, well then you need to move to the back of the classroom right now. That is not to say a 9500 (or similar) cannot work in a daily setup, but it WILL come with its drawbacks: poor SQ, cooling system not intended for daily use, and less over all displacement potential. Dont like it, too bad, that's reality guys. Relatively low xmax drivers that can soak up LOTS of power like the 9500's are gonna do great 'in the lanes', but when playing music with its transient peaks/valleys and continuously varying frequency responses, those types of drivers simply dont do as well, that's not their intended purpose. A couple people here want everyone to believe this is only about people being fans, or anti-fans of DD. Are you people smoking crack? DD is not the center of the universe and people's motives do not revolve around making or breaking Digital Designs online reputation. Lets see, a couple guys get bent when Warbleed states some facts that shed a less than stellar light on their brand name subs. Then these DD owners claim its because of an anti-bias against DD. Who has the vested interest here guys? Hmmm? The guy who does not own a DD sub (that I know of... Warbleed), or the guys who do own their subs and are defending them? luv2bass, your last question (and only real comment) in your post was why is Warbleed still arguing with you. Uhm, because he is right, and you are just acting like an *** because you dont like the facts? Or do you really think your sarcastic (and not funny) post really contributed anything real and helpful to this discussion? I agree, he shouldn't argue with you anymore, you dont even pose any arguement worth disputing. The real bias here is FOR DD. Personally, Im a big DD fan, but I know their intended uses, and their limitations. Im not some noob who thinks the 9500 can (and does) own in the SPL lanes, then turn around and make a 'great sounding' daily driver sub. The guys running MT's daily love trying to convince us they sound 'great' too. To thoise people Id ask, do you really know what 'great' sounds like. Ive heard alot of 9500 setups by now, many were "daily" setups (lol right), Ive heard a few that sounded pretty decent... Ive never heard any that sounded anywhere near 'great'. Eventhough most of those systems' owners had assured me they did indeed sound great. I guess people who buy SPL subs have pretty low standards for what 'great' sounding is. [/QUOTE]
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